4 ms·
Glad this film wasn't made. It would've been less accurate to Herbert's vision than Starship Troopers was to Heinlein's.
by AllegedAlec 3y ago
Glad this film wasn't made. It would've been less accurate to Herbert's vision than Starship Troopers was to Heinlein's.
- gylterud 3y agoIs a film only worth making if it stays accurate to the author’s vision? The books exist and can still be read after films are made. The movie must stand on its own merits. If the filmmakers have their own vision that might make a better film. Of course, there is no guarantee the film will be good, no matter what…
- fragmede 3y agoIt should at least be related. World War Z bears little resemblance to the book, to the point that basically the only thing they have in common use the name and the fact that they both have zombies in them.
- nickelcitymario 3y agoWorld Word Z the book wouldn’t make sense as a movie. It could work as a mini-series though, with each chapter treated as its own episode.
- eszed 3y agoNot to derail the thread, but I thought WWZ was such a missed (both artistic and commercial) opportunity, by not following the structure of the book. They could have made a whole anthology of stand-alone films, each detailing a different element of the world / apocalypse. There was more than enough material for an entire franchise, they just needed to aim a little lower with each film. The movie we got was _blah_, but does have one of the most visceral moments I've seen in any zombie flick: the bit where Brad Pitt stands on the edge of the roof, counting down the seconds until he'll know whether he's been infected or not.
- Almondsetat 3y agoWhy call it "Dune" then?
- broscillator 3y agoWhy did John Coltrane call it My Favorite Things?
- Almondsetat 3y agoI don't know, why answer a question with a question?
- broscillator 3y agoTo make you think a little about what art means and what's it all about.
- Almondsetat 3y agoSeems like you don't have an answer then, teacher sir
- broscillator 3y agoI do, Coltrane told me. Only he didn't do it on hn comments.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- k__ 3y agoNot everyone reads books but watches movies, so there is a market to sell the same story in different media.
- lapcat 3y agoMost films based on books are made only to cash in on the name and preexisting audience of the book. Consequently, most films based on a book are worse than the book. Neither Dune film is an exception to this. I'd rather just read the book again than watch either film. And if you're someone who has never read the book, and indeed has no desire to read the book, then why do you even need a "Dune" film made for you? What's truly sad about Hollywood is the complete lack of original film ideas.
- whstl 3y agoAgreed. I think some of those films can be enjoyed on its own merits, but having read the book just makes it more difficult. One can't help but watch through the lens of the book. It's a hard decision for those making a movie, you either push for your own vision and risk alienating book readers, or you are faithful and risk making something soulless and derivative. Of course there are exceptions. But I think the majority of exceptions lies on directors adapting unknown books (like Hitchcock), or perhaps books with less-rabid fanbases.
- gylterud 3y agoPeople are replying asking "Why call it Dune then? (If it does not have anything to do with the books)". That wasn't what I was talking about – some imaginary filmatisation which has nothing to do with the book. I was talking about not staying true to the "author's vision". You can make a Dune movie in many ways. You can have the same characters, ornithopers and main events, while having a completely different vision for it. Dune is also a book full of ideas. You can play up many different angles – ecological aspects, loyalty to leaders, political drama, religious fanaticism, etc. – while still being very much a Dune filmatisation. And a film maker can put their own spin on any of those, or bring up their own topics which makes sense to treat within the Dune framework. Sure, for the money people, being a Dune filmatisation means people will see it because they know that Dune is a famous book (irrespective of weather they read it). But only die hards who have read the book (and have a very immature view of film as a medium) would judge it for how true it stays to the author's vision. The rest will be happy if it is a good movie. Note also that Lynch's Dune influenced the later books!
- beezlebroxxxxxx 3y agoVerhoeven's Starship Troopers was not Heinlein's vision, but it is a glorious and hilarious satire of Heinlein's vision. "Accuracy" was obviously not the point.
- Nursie 3y agoI love Verhoeven’s work (though haven’t seen it all). Did you know that Robocop was an allegory for an American Christ? Troopers is a wonderful pastiche. With half an analytical brain you see the anti-propaganda, anti-militarism, anti-jingoism, and general poking of fun at Heinlein’s ideas in what on the surface appears to be yet another brainless action movie.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y agoHeinlein had very diverse ideas that he presented in his various works via very different POV characters. If you reduce his book to propaganda, militarism and jingoism, you likely don't see the bigger picture.
- AllegedAlec 3y agoThis. If what you take away from Heinlein's book was that it was militaristic and propaganda you didn't read the book properly.
- chuckadams 3y ago"You're reading it wrong."
- AllegedAlec 3y agoIt satirizes things that aren't even in Heinlein's vision and by that misses the point entirely.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y agoStarship Troopers movie is great, and I'll die on this hill.
- broscillator 3y agoAccuracy has little artistic value.
- rainbowzootsuit 3y agoI would like to know more.