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Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
by nothercastle 3y ago
Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
- pxmpxm 3y agoapple silicone doesn't need any memory tho edit: ha I guess people didn't see the /s in the above
- KingLancelot 3y agoSilicon, silicone is fake boob plastic. And that’s a blatant lie from Apple, if anything, the GPU shares memory with the CPU therefore Apple Silicon needs MORE memory, not less.
- lostlogin 3y agoAnd yet the machines are more performant with less memory than their Intel equivalents were (comparing Mac to Mac). Somehow an efficiency has been made.
- gumballindie 3y agoMy non apple linux desktop has a sweet 196 gb of ram 5200 mt/s. Love it.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago5200 mt/s is 83 GB/s assuming dual channel, which isn't much compared to 100 GB/s for base M2, and 800 GB/s for M2 ultra[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M2#:~:text=The%20SoC%20and%20RAM%20chips,and%20800%20GB%2Fs%20respectively https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M2#:~:text=The%20SoC%20a....
- gumballindie 3y agoThat’s okay given the size. The mobo can handle 8000 mt/s, and I can swap sticks whenever I want. Even my gpu has a sweet 24gb ram - more than an average m2. And I can do more than one if I need to train anything.
- YetAnotherNick 3y agoYou are comparing one of the highest end RAM and graphics card to average M2. Don't you think it's bit disingenuous?
- gumballindie 3y agoI am not entirely following. The m2 and m3 “scary fast” specs cost way more than my setup.
- justsomehnguy 3y agoDon't you think it's bit disingenuous to compare only things where your favourite piece has the advantage?
- BearOso 3y agoThe higher end M2s just run more chips in parallel. The bandwidth is there to support the GPU. The latency of LPDDR is higher than desktop RAM, so it relies on the cache to get around that, and the cache is about the same as most x86 CPUs. So there isn't much benefit in the real world.
- voidwtf 3y agoThey handle memory management quite differently and the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different. You can get higher memory Apple kit if you need it…
- tredre3 3y ago> They handle memory management quite differently Think different (tm). Snark aside you're right, Macs are much better at memory management than Linux, swap handling in particular. But that's a very low bar. > the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different. You're right, Mac users tend to run more multimedia productivity tools that benefit greatly from more RAM! > You can get higher memory Apple kit if you need it… You can pay the $800 premium yes, just make sure to plan what your future usage will be for the next 10 years because you can't buy it after the fact.
- tiltowait 3y agoWhile I agree Apple’s RAM prices are absurd, there’s no reason to overstate them. It’s $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB, and $400 for 24GB.
- voidwtf 3y agoMost of the people buying an $800 MacBook Air or lower memory variant of an Apple device are not worried about RAM and don’t use it in such a way that it matters. Yes, if you’re a professional using a macOS device you can pay the $400 premium for the highest memory variant. You either have the money to pay it, or the product justifies the amount. They are charging what their customers are willing to pay, it’s also somewhat inflated because the cost of maintaining those less popular SKUs. Last point I’ll make on this topic, you are going to see more CPUs move to have RAM on die because of the physical limitations on latency. Modern storage speeds are also making this a moot point as RAM may become just another caching layer for ultra fast solid state storage.
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- eep_social 3y agonon-upgradeable as well.
- wait_a_minute 3y agoyeah they should definitely add more to the lower end models these days. maybe they will in the next models, for onboard LLM support when Siri gets upgraded.
- skybrian 3y agoI was about to say that both my M2 Macs (laptop and mini) run fine with 8gb. Haven't noticed any problems. I don't play high-end games, though.
- wannacboatmovie 3y ago"8GB should be enough for anybody"
- Cheer2171 3y ago640K was enough for anybody when that quote was made.
- justsomehnguy 3y agoIt's always amusing to see how Mx Mac fanbois always forget to add "in my use case".
- pxmpxm 3y agoI can never quite figure out what the use case is - as I sit here with 2 brave tabs open, my 10.13 mac is using up 13.58gb of ram. These conversations usually usually end up at "my 8gb ram machine actually swaps constantly, but it's fine because otherwise I'd have to face the cognitive dissonance of justifying this purchase, so I'd rather repeat the apple marketing line they came up with to BS around their poor silicon yields"
- 6R1M0R4CL3 3y agoyou cannot compare an apple with 8 gb to a windows/linux machine running x86-64. you have two very different CPUs and architectures, and their use of memory is totally different.. those 8 Gb are the equivalent of 16 Gb on the x86-side. and 16 gb is decent for browsing, office work and even programing if you're not playing with kubernetes or some software.
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