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it's not a bug it's a feature the current system works pretty well. the us doesn't deport most illegals. their children will all be citizens, allowing for a de

by pthiel 3y ago

it's not a bug it's a feature the current system works pretty well. the us doesn't deport most illegals. their children will all be citizens, allowing for a de facto backdoor immigration system (if you're never deported, it doesn't matter as much you don't have citizenship) borders are important so cities aren't completely overrun with immigrants - like texas has been dealing with for years, and just now the libs are starting to realize doesn't work in cities like NY and Chicago (wrt budgeted services, housing etc, spare me the nyc was built by immigrants spiel)

082349872349872 3y ago
> it's a feature It seems awfully dysfunctional for a country which would like to portray itself as subject to the rule of law (although dysfunction may count as a feature, depending upon one's politics?). Luckily, legal emigration is still possible (or at least was, back when I did). > "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" — EL
- emmet 3y ago
  The country is the poster child for pulling the ladder up after yourself.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > Luckily, legal emigration is still possible You can legally leave the US, but only with the permission of the US government. They can deny you a passport, or revoke the one you have, for any reason and at that point you are not allowed to leave. It's kind of weird to think about how we didn't ask to be born here, but we're expected to follow the laws and if we don't like it we can't even leave and go where the rules are more favorable to us without permission from the government we're born under. I'll always poke fun at the crazy sovereign citizen crowd, but on a certain level I can sympathize with the feeling that there's a certain type of injustice being born under the rule of someone else.
autoexec 3y ago
> the current system works pretty well. the us doesn't deport most illegals. their children will all be citizens, allowing for a de facto backdoor immigration system (if you're never deported, it doesn't matter as much you don't have citizenship) I strongly disagree. I think it's disgusting that the US encourages and even prefers to have a massive underclass of easily and very often exploited people without the rights and protections everyone else has. The current system enables human rights abuses so that businesses can have the next best thing to slaves. It would be a massive improvement if we actually regulated immigration properly, enforced the laws, and made sure that workers in America were typically Americans who earned a decent wage and had equal rights under the law.
- hollerith 3y ago
  It's not right IMO to call them slaves if they are free to leave any time they want.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    That's not always the case either. Some illegal immigrants are literally locked in cages (or in some cases shipping containers https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/slavery-towers-feds-say-immigrant-workers-forced-to-build-luxury-condos-in-san-jose/211007/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/slavery-towers-feds-sa...) Just because people are here illegally it doesn't make it acceptable to beat, rape, or steal from them and the companies who do should be punished the same as if they'd treated an American worker that way. The right thing to do would be to make sure that no company can hire someone who can't legally work in the US and to severely punish any company that does.
rafaelero 3y ago
It keeps a lot of highly productive workers from entering the US.

by pthiel 3y ago

082349872349872 3y ago

> it's a feature It seems awfully dysfunctional for a country which would like to portray itself as subject to the rule of law (although dysfunction may count as a feature, depending upon one's politics?). Luckily, legal emigration is still possible (or at least was, back when I did). > "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" — EL

emmet 3y ago
The country is the poster child for pulling the ladder up after yourself.
autoexec 3y ago
> Luckily, legal emigration is still possible You can legally leave the US, but only with the permission of the US government. They can deny you a passport, or revoke the one you have, for any reason and at that point you are not allowed to leave. It's kind of weird to think about how we didn't ask to be born here, but we're expected to follow the laws and if we don't like it we can't even leave and go where the rules are more favorable to us without permission from the government we're born under. I'll always poke fun at the crazy sovereign citizen crowd, but on a certain level I can sympathize with the feeling that there's a certain type of injustice being born under the rule of someone else.

autoexec 3y ago

> the current system works pretty well. the us doesn't deport most illegals. their children will all be citizens, allowing for a de facto backdoor immigration system (if you're never deported, it doesn't matter as much you don't have citizenship) I strongly disagree. I think it's disgusting that the US encourages and even prefers to have a massive underclass of easily and very often exploited people without the rights and protections everyone else has. The current system enables human rights abuses so that businesses can have the next best thing to slaves. It would be a massive improvement if we actually regulated immigration properly, enforced the laws, and made sure that workers in America were typically Americans who earned a decent wage and had equal rights under the law.

hollerith 3y ago
It's not right IMO to call them slaves if they are free to leave any time they want.
- autoexec 3y ago
  That's not always the case either. Some illegal immigrants are literally locked in cages (or in some cases shipping containers https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/slavery-towers-feds-say-immigrant-workers-forced-to-build-luxury-condos-in-san-jose/211007/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/slavery-towers-feds-sa...) Just because people are here illegally it doesn't make it acceptable to beat, rape, or steal from them and the companies who do should be punished the same as if they'd treated an American worker that way. The right thing to do would be to make sure that no company can hire someone who can't legally work in the US and to severely punish any company that does.

rafaelero 3y ago

It keeps a lot of highly productive workers from entering the US.