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OK. I'll call them inept and pan their design based on months of USE. As far as I'm concerned, there's only one example needed to prove the failure of this ne

OK. I'll call them inept and pan their design based on months of USE. As far as I'm concerned, there's only one example needed to prove the failure of this new design: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6034/6310566055_4a5f5d4a53_b.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6034/6310566055_4a5f5d4a53_b.j...

anthonyb 14y ago
Go to Settings > Labels, then pick the ones that you want to show. Pity your "months of USE" didn't take you that far...
- DavidAbrams 14y ago
  WRONG. All of my labels/mailboxes are set to show: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg Any other wrong advice you'd like to try to contradict me with?
  - rkudeshi 14y ago
    You can hide the chat box. Look for a button at the bottom center of the sidebar (so lower left of the entire screen). That should show you as many labels as possible. Because of the new multi-panel approach, you'll have to scroll down the sidebar if you have more labels than fit (like an iframe).
    - DavidAbrams 14y ago
      Thanks for the chat-box info. This is more bad (Easter-egg) UI: There's no visible control next to "chat" (or any of the other labels) until you've already rolled the cursor over it. Why would the user roll the cursor over there, if there are no visible controls? It's incredible that we're LOSING common UI sense at such a rate.
      - anthonyb 14y ago
        That's a very common UI mechanism on the web. The alternative is to have a bunch of handles and buttons plastered over everything. Most desktop UIs are the same - there's all sorts of right click options on various UI elements, and have been for years. Drag and drop, drag to select, dragging stuff into your recycle bin or onto another folder to copy them. How are you supposed to know that? By experimenting with your UI and learning how it works.
        crazygringo 14y ago
        But it's one thing to learn a UI for your whole OS. You learn it once, and you're done. For websites, it shouldn't be necessary. I personally abhor the "hidden until hover" buttons that are becoming increasingly popular. I spent ten minutes trying to discover why GitHub had removed it's "edit issue" functionality until I realized that I had to hover over the issue text for the button to appear in the corner. It's horrible.
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    Well, it works just fine for me. Look, non-eyeburning theme, different coloured stars, non-hidden mailboxes. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6972254464_24774f868a_z.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6972254464_24774f868a_z.j... Just for kicks, I switched to the default theme - same deal, mailboxes hide properly, etc. The red button's annoying, but hey, that's why I switched theme. Perhaps you might want to quit flaming people (and Google) and fix your settings or browser or whatever the hell is wrong with your PC?
    - anthonyb 14y ago
      Nice downvote, but compare his screenshot and mine. There's something pretty clearly wrong with his stylesheets or browser or something. There are no visible controls in his new GMail section - something that nobody else seems to have. Further, he doesn't seem to be even the slightest bit interested in figuring out what's going wrong.
thezilch 14y ago
Click the square/arrow to the right of any label, there are a plethora of options, including when and why a label should be shown at all costs. Frankly, the label functionality that exists now, in the redesign, is amazing.
- DavidAbrams 14y ago
  Nope. Screen shot: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg
  - thezilch 14y ago
    Ok, upon closer inspection of your original screenshot, it appears you need to hover the padding-area between "Chat" and the border line above -- a separator between labels and the chat modules. You should notice a resize cursor and an ellipsis icon; this separator is movable and reveal more of your labels, without having to hover the labels area to reveal them.
    - ubernostrum 14y ago
      Important tip based on what I see in this thread from multiple people: If the response is "oh, no problem, just try to find this button, or hover on this very small area to trigger a non-obvious behavior"... we're probably not talking about good UX.
    - DavidAbrams 14y ago
      Why would I move the cursor to an area in which there are no visible controls? Thanks for your response, but this is shitty UI. Is the user supposed to sweep the entire screen, pixel by pixel, looking for Easter eggs?
      - thezilch 14y ago
        You've never hovered over the chat area? Nonetheless, the bar could could probably use a hint when also hovering the labels area. I'm still unsure how you have written off the designers as simply inept. I could take down any UI with such an attitude.
option_greek 14y ago
Ya, one of the worst changes of the new design. You have to hover over edge of the last folder to see all of them. They could have used simple accordian instead of all this mess. The new Gmail causes me nausea when ever I use it.
ragmondo 14y ago
This is my major gripe as well ...

anthonyb 14y ago

Go to Settings > Labels, then pick the ones that you want to show. Pity your "months of USE" didn't take you that far...

DavidAbrams 14y ago
WRONG. All of my labels/mailboxes are set to show: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg Any other wrong advice you'd like to try to contradict me with?
- rkudeshi 14y ago
  You can hide the chat box. Look for a button at the bottom center of the sidebar (so lower left of the entire screen). That should show you as many labels as possible. Because of the new multi-panel approach, you'll have to scroll down the sidebar if you have more labels than fit (like an iframe).
  - DavidAbrams 14y ago
    Thanks for the chat-box info. This is more bad (Easter-egg) UI: There's no visible control next to "chat" (or any of the other labels) until you've already rolled the cursor over it. Why would the user roll the cursor over there, if there are no visible controls? It's incredible that we're LOSING common UI sense at such a rate.
    - anthonyb 14y ago
      That's a very common UI mechanism on the web. The alternative is to have a bunch of handles and buttons plastered over everything. Most desktop UIs are the same - there's all sorts of right click options on various UI elements, and have been for years. Drag and drop, drag to select, dragging stuff into your recycle bin or onto another folder to copy them. How are you supposed to know that? By experimenting with your UI and learning how it works.
      - crazygringo 14y ago
        But it's one thing to learn a UI for your whole OS. You learn it once, and you're done. For websites, it shouldn't be necessary. I personally abhor the "hidden until hover" buttons that are becoming increasingly popular. I spent ten minutes trying to discover why GitHub had removed it's "edit issue" functionality until I realized that I had to hover over the issue text for the button to appear in the corner. It's horrible.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  Well, it works just fine for me. Look, non-eyeburning theme, different coloured stars, non-hidden mailboxes. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6972254464_24774f868a_z.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/6972254464_24774f868a_z.j... Just for kicks, I switched to the default theme - same deal, mailboxes hide properly, etc. The red button's annoying, but hey, that's why I switched theme. Perhaps you might want to quit flaming people (and Google) and fix your settings or browser or whatever the hell is wrong with your PC?
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    Nice downvote, but compare his screenshot and mine. There's something pretty clearly wrong with his stylesheets or browser or something. There are no visible controls in his new GMail section - something that nobody else seems to have. Further, he doesn't seem to be even the slightest bit interested in figuring out what's going wrong.

thezilch 14y ago

Click the square/arrow to the right of any label, there are a plethora of options, including when and why a label should be shown at all costs. Frankly, the label functionality that exists now, in the redesign, is amazing.

DavidAbrams 14y ago
Nope. Screen shot: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7117915617_c0c8cab3fc.jpg
- thezilch 14y ago
  Ok, upon closer inspection of your original screenshot, it appears you need to hover the padding-area between "Chat" and the border line above -- a separator between labels and the chat modules. You should notice a resize cursor and an ellipsis icon; this separator is movable and reveal more of your labels, without having to hover the labels area to reveal them.
  - ubernostrum 14y ago
    Important tip based on what I see in this thread from multiple people: If the response is "oh, no problem, just try to find this button, or hover on this very small area to trigger a non-obvious behavior"... we're probably not talking about good UX.
  - DavidAbrams 14y ago
    Why would I move the cursor to an area in which there are no visible controls? Thanks for your response, but this is shitty UI. Is the user supposed to sweep the entire screen, pixel by pixel, looking for Easter eggs?
    - thezilch 14y ago
      You've never hovered over the chat area? Nonetheless, the bar could could probably use a hint when also hovering the labels area. I'm still unsure how you have written off the designers as simply inept. I could take down any UI with such an attitude.

option_greek 14y ago

Ya, one of the worst changes of the new design. You have to hover over edge of the last folder to see all of them. They could have used simple accordian instead of all this mess. The new Gmail causes me nausea when ever I use it.

ragmondo 14y ago

This is my major gripe as well ...