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The problem is that they're not wrong, turbines and even solar towers wipe out vast bird and bat populations. Obama had to pass a last minute law approving the

The problem is that they're not wrong, turbines and even solar towers wipe out vast bird and bat populations. Obama had to pass a last minute law approving the numerous deaths of bald eagle populations unfortunately. Water desalination projects leave behind dead zones of salt in the water that wipe out fish populations. Another example is recycling centers grinding up the plastic and releasing a scary amount of microplastics into the environment. I think we need a little bit of self introspection when it comes to environmentalism. When our green tech isn't so green we need to "do better" and make it healthier for the environment. I don't think we should ever stop trying to figure out how to make it less harmful. Hiding our collective heads in the sand and saying, "Look it is green so it can't be causing the same problems," is going to put us into an echo chamber where we can do no wrong. And, in the end justify doing damage we'll regret later. We all live on this planet together we should be good shepherds of it.

jacquesm 3y ago
> The problem is that they're not wrong, turbines and even solar towers wipe out vast bird and bat populations. > Obama had to pass a last minute law approving the numerous deaths of bald eagle populations unfortunately. 316K Eagles vs 150 confirmed deaths due to windmills over a decade. So yes, they're wrong. And amplifying this sort of thing is exactly what those campaigns hope for, so you're doing their work for them. You're in good company, Donald Trump did the exact same thing (and made up a number to go with it rather than to claim 'vast' numbers). Does it mean that any numbers of Bald Eagles killed by windmills is acceptable? No, of course it doesn't. But either we have a different idea when we hear the word 'vast' or 'vast' is exaggerated. edit: here is an article to back this up: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-thousands-bald-eagles-killed-wind-turbines-1778304 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-thousands-bald-eagle...
- palisade 3y ago
  That's odd because the official eagle foundation that protects eagles discusses thousands of recorded deaths. From the website, "At the infamous Altamont Wind Resource Area alone, more than 2,000 Golden Eagles have been killed by the wind turbines there." : https://eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/ https://eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/ So which seems more believable that only 150 eagles died over a decade or thousands? Something is off here. Is anyone even checking properly? You can't have two completely distinct numbers like that.
  - qwery 3y ago
    Are golden eagles bald eagles? Yes, the problem is exaggerated by the eagle people and the fossil fuel people and the nuclear people and simultaneously underreported by the wind energy industry and the renewables people etc. This should not surprise you.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    I'm sure there is an accurate number that is somewhere between 136 and 'thousands' but I wouldn't trust either the windmill operators or the people that run breeding programs for eagles to report them accurately.
jiggawatts 3y ago
Bald eagle numbers are soaring: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bald-eagle-populations-have-skyrocketed-last-decade-180977342/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bald-eagle-populat... You're regurgitating pure propaganda put out by a multi-trillion-dollar industry that is orders of magnitude worse in every way. "Americans execute record number of prisoners" -- Joseph Goebbels.
- palisade 3y ago
  I mean I was basing it off numbers provided by the American Eagle Foundation. Which isn't a multi-trillion dollar industry, it's a small charity whose goal is conservation. The American Eagle Foundation (AEF) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Contributions to the American Eagle Foundation are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. The AEF’s tax identification number is 58-1652023.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    And whose POV is obviously strictly neutral when it comes to eagles...

jacquesm 3y ago

> The problem is that they're not wrong, turbines and even solar towers wipe out vast bird and bat populations. > Obama had to pass a last minute law approving the numerous deaths of bald eagle populations unfortunately. 316K Eagles vs 150 confirmed deaths due to windmills over a decade. So yes, they're wrong. And amplifying this sort of thing is exactly what those campaigns hope for, so you're doing their work for them. You're in good company, Donald Trump did the exact same thing (and made up a number to go with it rather than to claim 'vast' numbers). Does it mean that any numbers of Bald Eagles killed by windmills is acceptable? No, of course it doesn't. But either we have a different idea when we hear the word 'vast' or 'vast' is exaggerated. edit: here is an article to back this up: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-thousands-bald-eagles-killed-wind-turbines-1778304 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-thousands-bald-eagle...

palisade 3y ago
That's odd because the official eagle foundation that protects eagles discusses thousands of recorded deaths. From the website, "At the infamous Altamont Wind Resource Area alone, more than 2,000 Golden Eagles have been killed by the wind turbines there." : https://eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/ https://eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/ So which seems more believable that only 150 eagles died over a decade or thousands? Something is off here. Is anyone even checking properly? You can't have two completely distinct numbers like that.
- qwery 3y ago
  Are golden eagles bald eagles? Yes, the problem is exaggerated by the eagle people and the fossil fuel people and the nuclear people and simultaneously underreported by the wind energy industry and the renewables people etc. This should not surprise you.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  I'm sure there is an accurate number that is somewhere between 136 and 'thousands' but I wouldn't trust either the windmill operators or the people that run breeding programs for eagles to report them accurately.

jiggawatts 3y ago

Bald eagle numbers are soaring: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bald-eagle-populations-have-skyrocketed-last-decade-180977342/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bald-eagle-populat... You're regurgitating pure propaganda put out by a multi-trillion-dollar industry that is orders of magnitude worse in every way. "Americans execute record number of prisoners" -- Joseph Goebbels.

palisade 3y ago
I mean I was basing it off numbers provided by the American Eagle Foundation. Which isn't a multi-trillion dollar industry, it's a small charity whose goal is conservation. The American Eagle Foundation (AEF) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. Contributions to the American Eagle Foundation are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. The AEF’s tax identification number is 58-1652023.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  And whose POV is obviously strictly neutral when it comes to eagles...