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Like our PhD project for example, we're doing machine learning on special forces selection in the Netherlands (for details, see [1]). The aim is basically just

Like our PhD project for example, we're doing machine learning on special forces selection in the Netherlands (for details, see [1]). The aim is basically just to reduce costs for the military and disappointment for the recruits. Furthermore, we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early. This is a topic that is useful for many more situations than just the military. [1]: https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/s6j3r https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/s6j3r

heresie-dabord 3y ago
> we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early Following which, you will need to learn how to defend against all the internal threats to any such system. ^_^
throwup238 3y ago
Your research will be assimilated by the Killbot Evolution Research Program. Your country thanks you. For your service, here is a limited edition digital flag pin emoji:
chucky 3y ago
> This is a topic that is useful for many more situations than just the military. Fair enough, but that's not who funded your research (according to your own disclosure, the military paid for it). If this topic is so useful for "more situations" , why didn't those "many more situations" fund it? Will you be conducting research into how this topic will have non-military usages, or is that just something you tell yourself to sleep better at night while the military pays for more research that "is useful for many more situations than just the military"?
- calamari4065 3y ago
  Most modern technology is derived from military research. Do you feel bad every time you use a microwave? It was originally a military radar. Without military funding, it would not exist in its modern form. Nor would basically all radio communication technologies, satellites, spaceflight. You get the idea.
  - ponderings 3y ago
    yeah, I feel terrible about it. We as a species apparently cant punch a dent in a pack of butter unless it is for greed or murder. We chose to be like that. Seriously, wtf??? I would prefer it if we developed competitive qualities. Trying to stop doesn't make sense, we have to outgrow it.
- ncocacola 3y ago
  Isn't that how the Internet was invented?
samstave 3y ago
>>>...we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early The new "Gifted And Talented Education" GATE for the modern era.** We were evaluated for GATE in like 4th grade? Using such AI human behavioral heuristics against the minor population in 3.2.1.... Contract.
- fuzzfactor 3y ago
  >>>...we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early So they can be sidelined before they have a chance to disrupt anything. Especially those individuals having any unique abilities in excess of what AI could substitute for.
vkou 3y ago
How difficult would it be to repurpose the kinds of models you are working on to, instead, say, perform early detection and selection of problem people for internment/liquidation?
- huijzer 3y ago
  I have talked a lot with military people and actually have much confidence in their morals. Yes they will make many mistakes but in general there are lots of checks and balances and they‘re not evil people. Also note that they are ran by the government which makes them very risk averse. In general, all technology can be reused. Maybe someday killer robots walk around with a Rust codebase. Should Rust not have been developed?
  - vkou 3y ago
    You talked with generals and ministers of defense? During a crisis, as opposed to boring peacetime, when everyone can claim to make moral decisions, without having to actually be tested? Your current government may be risk averse, the one that gets elected five, or fifteen years from now, in a different climate... Your comparison between this work and Rust is not a good one. There's degrees of potential for abuse, and a system that predicts people's future behaviour in the hands of the military is nothing like a general-purpose language.
tmccrary55 3y ago
GattAIca here we come, baby!

heresie-dabord 3y ago

> we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early Following which, you will need to learn how to defend against all the internal threats to any such system. ^_^

throwup238 3y ago

Your research will be assimilated by the Killbot Evolution Research Program. Your country thanks you. For your service, here is a limited edition digital flag pin emoji:

chucky 3y ago

> This is a topic that is useful for many more situations than just the military. Fair enough, but that's not who funded your research (according to your own disclosure, the military paid for it). If this topic is so useful for "more situations" , why didn't those "many more situations" fund it? Will you be conducting research into how this topic will have non-military usages, or is that just something you tell yourself to sleep better at night while the military pays for more research that "is useful for many more situations than just the military"?

calamari4065 3y ago
Most modern technology is derived from military research. Do you feel bad every time you use a microwave? It was originally a military radar. Without military funding, it would not exist in its modern form. Nor would basically all radio communication technologies, satellites, spaceflight. You get the idea.
- ponderings 3y ago
  yeah, I feel terrible about it. We as a species apparently cant punch a dent in a pack of butter unless it is for greed or murder. We chose to be like that. Seriously, wtf??? I would prefer it if we developed competitive qualities. Trying to stop doesn't make sense, we have to outgrow it.
ncocacola 3y ago
Isn't that how the Internet was invented?

samstave 3y ago

>>>...we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early The new "Gifted And Talented Education" GATE for the modern era.** We were evaluated for GATE in like 4th grade? Using such AI human behavioral heuristics against the minor population in 3.2.1.... Contract.

fuzzfactor 3y ago
>>>...we hope to learn more about how very capable individuals can be detected early So they can be sidelined before they have a chance to disrupt anything. Especially those individuals having any unique abilities in excess of what AI could substitute for.

vkou 3y ago

How difficult would it be to repurpose the kinds of models you are working on to, instead, say, perform early detection and selection of problem people for internment/liquidation?

huijzer 3y ago
I have talked a lot with military people and actually have much confidence in their morals. Yes they will make many mistakes but in general there are lots of checks and balances and they‘re not evil people. Also note that they are ran by the government which makes them very risk averse. In general, all technology can be reused. Maybe someday killer robots walk around with a Rust codebase. Should Rust not have been developed?
- vkou 3y ago
  You talked with generals and ministers of defense? During a crisis, as opposed to boring peacetime, when everyone can claim to make moral decisions, without having to actually be tested? Your current government may be risk averse, the one that gets elected five, or fifteen years from now, in a different climate... Your comparison between this work and Rust is not a good one. There's degrees of potential for abuse, and a system that predicts people's future behaviour in the hands of the military is nothing like a general-purpose language.

tmccrary55 3y ago

GattAIca here we come, baby!