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Being a warmonger is the new cool. No appeasement and whatever. Sama is just being down with the kids.

by rightbyte 3y ago

lebean 3y ago
Finding applications for defense = warmongering?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- rightbyte 3y ago
  "Defense"? Really? But, no, not really, no. I tried to be funny and relate to the zeitgeist. Another example is the Occulus guy, that pivoted into levering something VR I guess to make stuff to kill other people since Zuckerberg crushed him.
- enraged_camel 3y ago
  "Defense" doesn't mean much. Department of Defense regularly conducts offensive wars.
  - manquer 3y ago
    For most of its history from 1789 to 1943 it was war department. It is just rebranded not changed in the last 70 years
    - philwelch 3y ago
      Common misconception. The Department of Defense governs all branches of the military. The Department of War only governed the Army while the Department of the Navy was a separate Cabinet-level department.
      - manquer 3y ago
        It also included the Air Force . It was not just the army . Navy was separate but everything else was under war department
        philwelch 3y ago
        The Air Force was not a separate branch before the Department of Defense was formed; it was part of the Army. And the Marine Corps was (and is) governed by the Department of the Navy (which is currently a sub-department of Defense).
        manquer 3y ago
        Everything was part of the army back then , that is the point. Department of war was the “army” yes , but army is not what we think of army today, it literally included the entire air force - which wasn’t small auxiliary unit : both wars used tens of thousands of fighter planes . Department of war was a department for war not just a name for what we know as army today .
        philwelch 3y ago
        > Everything was part of the army back then …except the Navy and Marine Corps, which was the original point. A large part of the Second World War was fought by the naval services, despite those services being outside the Department of War. During the war, overall coordination of the military was not carried out by the War Department but rather via the Joint Chiefs of Staff and through ad hoc high level coordination between Army and Naval command. In particular, command in the Pacific theater was split between General Douglas MacArthur Admiral Chester Nimitz (with the ground operations under Nimitz being primarily carried out by Marines). The difficulties caused by this approach were the primary motivation for the reorganization of the American military into a unified Department of Defense. I am well aware that the Army Air Forces were a very large part of the Army during the Second World War. However, the Navy and Marines also had tens of thousands of airplanes, none of which were under the control of the War Department or the Army Air Forces. It’s a little misleading to claim the War Department controlled the “entire air force” when they only controlled the Army Air Forces and not naval aviation. The War Department controlled the Army and the Army Air Forces, which were part of the Army at the time, so it’s just as correct and a lot quicker to say that the War Department was only in charge of the Army. It wasn’t in charge of the Navy and Marines, and it wasn’t even in charge of fighting wars because we needed the Navy and Marines to help fight wars and they were under a different department. Which, again, was the reason for forming the Department of Defense in the first place. When the Air Force became an independent service during the postwar military reorganizations, they actually tried (and failed) to take over naval aviation; to this day the United States Navy has a larger air force than most countries.
- gopher_space 3y ago
  Depends on your religion and point of view. For Christians, absolutely.
Log_out_ 3y ago
We had a whole mindset that basically rolled out the red carpet for dictators disguised as peace ment with apps. Including praise for turning oneself into an anti democratic psyOPs zombie. A correction of this nonsense was overdue. And in the moment of weakness, it was also revealed how alone the West really was with its values. The idealists are out there in the trenches, getting shot in the street, because peaceful cowards are willing to sacrifice everything and everyone for indefensible nimbyism.
EasyMark 3y ago
what do you plan on doing when China and/or Russia and/or Iran come knocking on your door?
- rightbyte 3y ago
  Not being in the house? If the elites can't play nicely with each other it is not my problem. I don't trust them.
- teloli 3y ago
  So far, it’s always been the other way round though.
  - deelly 3y ago
    You mean thats the USA that indirectly attacks China, Russia, Iran?
    - dragonelite 3y ago
      Pretty much but not the US directly its the US hiring Mercs in the form of Ukrainian proxies recently and in the near past it was Isis and co in the middle east to attack Iran and China's belt and road plans.
      - deelly 3y ago
        > its the US hiring Mercs in the form of Ukrainian proxies or, its just a russian propaganda... Could you please next time start you comments with disclaimer "according to russian propaganda.."? From your other comment: > You also had Russians finding a lot of virus labs in ukraine etc. You understand that no one except russian trolls believes in this lies? On second though I think even russian trolls do not believe in it..

Being a warmonger is the new cool. No appeasement and whatever. Sama is just being down with the kids.

lebean 3y ago

Finding applications for defense = warmongering?

deleted 3y ago
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rightbyte 3y ago
"Defense"? Really? But, no, not really, no. I tried to be funny and relate to the zeitgeist. Another example is the Occulus guy, that pivoted into levering something VR I guess to make stuff to kill other people since Zuckerberg crushed him.
enraged_camel 3y ago
"Defense" doesn't mean much. Department of Defense regularly conducts offensive wars.
- manquer 3y ago
  For most of its history from 1789 to 1943 it was war department. It is just rebranded not changed in the last 70 years
  - philwelch 3y ago
    Common misconception. The Department of Defense governs all branches of the military. The Department of War only governed the Army while the Department of the Navy was a separate Cabinet-level department.
    - manquer 3y ago
      It also included the Air Force . It was not just the army . Navy was separate but everything else was under war department
      - philwelch 3y ago
        The Air Force was not a separate branch before the Department of Defense was formed; it was part of the Army. And the Marine Corps was (and is) governed by the Department of the Navy (which is currently a sub-department of Defense).
        manquer 3y ago
        Everything was part of the army back then , that is the point. Department of war was the “army” yes , but army is not what we think of army today, it literally included the entire air force - which wasn’t small auxiliary unit : both wars used tens of thousands of fighter planes . Department of war was a department for war not just a name for what we know as army today .
        philwelch 3y ago
        > Everything was part of the army back then …except the Navy and Marine Corps, which was the original point. A large part of the Second World War was fought by the naval services, despite those services being outside the Department of War. During the war, overall coordination of the military was not carried out by the War Department but rather via the Joint Chiefs of Staff and through ad hoc high level coordination between Army and Naval command. In particular, command in the Pacific theater was split between General Douglas MacArthur Admiral Chester Nimitz (with the ground operations under Nimitz being primarily carried out by Marines). The difficulties caused by this approach were the primary motivation for the reorganization of the American military into a unified Department of Defense. I am well aware that the Army Air Forces were a very large part of the Army during the Second World War. However, the Navy and Marines also had tens of thousands of airplanes, none of which were under the control of the War Department or the Army Air Forces. It’s a little misleading to claim the War Department controlled the “entire air force” when they only controlled the Army Air Forces and not naval aviation. The War Department controlled the Army and the Army Air Forces, which were part of the Army at the time, so it’s just as correct and a lot quicker to say that the War Department was only in charge of the Army. It wasn’t in charge of the Navy and Marines, and it wasn’t even in charge of fighting wars because we needed the Navy and Marines to help fight wars and they were under a different department. Which, again, was the reason for forming the Department of Defense in the first place. When the Air Force became an independent service during the postwar military reorganizations, they actually tried (and failed) to take over naval aviation; to this day the United States Navy has a larger air force than most countries.
gopher_space 3y ago
Depends on your religion and point of view. For Christians, absolutely.

Log_out_ 3y ago

We had a whole mindset that basically rolled out the red carpet for dictators disguised as peace ment with apps. Including praise for turning oneself into an anti democratic psyOPs zombie. A correction of this nonsense was overdue. And in the moment of weakness, it was also revealed how alone the West really was with its values. The idealists are out there in the trenches, getting shot in the street, because peaceful cowards are willing to sacrifice everything and everyone for indefensible nimbyism.

EasyMark 3y ago

what do you plan on doing when China and/or Russia and/or Iran come knocking on your door?

rightbyte 3y ago
Not being in the house? If the elites can't play nicely with each other it is not my problem. I don't trust them.
teloli 3y ago
So far, it’s always been the other way round though.
- deelly 3y ago
  You mean thats the USA that indirectly attacks China, Russia, Iran?
  - dragonelite 3y ago
    Pretty much but not the US directly its the US hiring Mercs in the form of Ukrainian proxies recently and in the near past it was Isis and co in the middle east to attack Iran and China's belt and road plans.
    - deelly 3y ago
      > its the US hiring Mercs in the form of Ukrainian proxies or, its just a russian propaganda... Could you please next time start you comments with disclaimer "according to russian propaganda.."? From your other comment: > You also had Russians finding a lot of virus labs in ukraine etc. You understand that no one except russian trolls believes in this lies? On second though I think even russian trolls do not believe in it..