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Seeing combat footage of FPV suicide drones in the Ukrainian war and how effective they are it is sort of inevitable that AI would be used as a selling point fo

Seeing combat footage of FPV suicide drones in the Ukrainian war and how effective they are it is sort of inevitable that AI would be used as a selling point for this.

rightbyte 3y ago
They are manually aimed, right?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  For now
- tibbydudeza 3y ago
  For the moment not yet but I suspect there are folks working on intelligent targeting rather than using human operators that needs to be in close proximity or otherwise GPS coordinates.
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    It is probably "easy" to make them finding targets, but I guess the part where it should differ friend from foes and civilians is the hard part? Otherwise it's just some kind of mine.
    - Arch485 3y ago
      I would posit that making some AI-controlled weaponry on par with humans at target identification/recognition is not too hard, and definitely doable with today's tech. Making one that's _better_ than humans though, that's the tricky part. Another issue is full autonomy: even human soldiers/pilots/etc. are not fully autonomous - they will ask command if there are civilians or friendly units in the AO, as they don't always have enough information to make that decision themselves. To achieve that with machines (not necessarily AI), you either need a fully integrated system (i.e. humans are obsolete for military use), or you need an efficient and functional human-machine interface. So I don't expect we'll be seeing fully autonomous AI weaponry anytime soon, despite it being technologically possible. AI-_assisted_ weaponry, however, probably already exists.
    - tibbydudeza 3y ago
      Just look for "Z" or old Soviet CCCP patch on the uniform.
  - philwelch 3y ago
    A kamikaze drone that guides itself? That’s called a missile, we invented those decades ago.
    - tibbydudeza 3y ago
      I am referring to FPV kamikaze drone which is cheaper and far easier to use than a missile and costs way cheaper.
      - philwelch 3y ago
        FPV is a system for a human operator to guide it. If it doesn’t have a human operator but it does have an autonomous system to guide it to the target, that’s just a guided missile.
- arkush 3y ago
  > They are manually aimed, right? January 6, 2024: "Defence Intelligence of Ukraine shares footage of the targeting of two Russian Pantsir-S1 air defence systems. Looks like loitering munition was used. As said, today in the Belgorod region of Russia." Source tweet: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1743704263530831921 https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/17437042635308319... Original source is the Main Directorate of Intelligence's Telegram channel (in Ukrainian): https://t.me/DIUkraine/3288 https://t.me/DIUkraine/3288 Notice yellow rectangles that are visible around the targets in the video. It seems that AI-aiming was used at the final parts of the approach trajectories, after loss of communications with the drones.

Seeing combat footage of FPV suicide drones in the Ukrainian war and how effective they are it is sort of inevitable that AI would be used as a selling point for this.

rightbyte 3y ago

They are manually aimed, right?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
For now
tibbydudeza 3y ago
For the moment not yet but I suspect there are folks working on intelligent targeting rather than using human operators that needs to be in close proximity or otherwise GPS coordinates.
- rightbyte 3y ago
  It is probably "easy" to make them finding targets, but I guess the part where it should differ friend from foes and civilians is the hard part? Otherwise it's just some kind of mine.
  - Arch485 3y ago
    I would posit that making some AI-controlled weaponry on par with humans at target identification/recognition is not too hard, and definitely doable with today's tech. Making one that's _better_ than humans though, that's the tricky part. Another issue is full autonomy: even human soldiers/pilots/etc. are not fully autonomous - they will ask command if there are civilians or friendly units in the AO, as they don't always have enough information to make that decision themselves. To achieve that with machines (not necessarily AI), you either need a fully integrated system (i.e. humans are obsolete for military use), or you need an efficient and functional human-machine interface. So I don't expect we'll be seeing fully autonomous AI weaponry anytime soon, despite it being technologically possible. AI-_assisted_ weaponry, however, probably already exists.
  - tibbydudeza 3y ago
    Just look for "Z" or old Soviet CCCP patch on the uniform.
- philwelch 3y ago
  A kamikaze drone that guides itself? That’s called a missile, we invented those decades ago.
  - tibbydudeza 3y ago
    I am referring to FPV kamikaze drone which is cheaper and far easier to use than a missile and costs way cheaper.
    - philwelch 3y ago
      FPV is a system for a human operator to guide it. If it doesn’t have a human operator but it does have an autonomous system to guide it to the target, that’s just a guided missile.
arkush 3y ago
> They are manually aimed, right? January 6, 2024: "Defence Intelligence of Ukraine shares footage of the targeting of two Russian Pantsir-S1 air defence systems. Looks like loitering munition was used. As said, today in the Belgorod region of Russia." Source tweet: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1743704263530831921 https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/17437042635308319... Original source is the Main Directorate of Intelligence's Telegram channel (in Ukrainian): https://t.me/DIUkraine/3288 https://t.me/DIUkraine/3288 Notice yellow rectangles that are visible around the targets in the video. It seems that AI-aiming was used at the final parts of the approach trajectories, after loss of communications with the drones.