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40,000 deaths each year in the United States resulting from cars, and nobody lifts a finger. The side of a plane pops off a few miles up in the air and everybod

40,000 deaths each year in the United States resulting from cars, and nobody lifts a finger. The side of a plane pops off a few miles up in the air and everybody loses their minds.

ironmagma 3y ago
You're making your (our) cause look bad. There are a lot of issues with cars but this isn't one of them. Cars essentially work as intended, and when they don't there are recalls, lawsuits, and NHTSA investigations.
- error9348 3y ago
  There are all kinds of externalities, including safety, which are ignored. US tax policy which allows write offs only for large vehicles which are more likely to cause deaths. Tire emissions. Congestion pricing -- common in Europe -- needs years or reviews and lawsuits. NHTSA doesn't require bicycle test devices.
nickvec 3y ago
And almost all of these deaths are the result of user (driver) error, whereas passengers on a flight have no say in Boeing's design of their planes and/or whether the door gets ripped off mid-flight. You're comparing apples and oranges here.
- philipwhiuk 3y ago
  Because passengers are incapable of choosing not to fly?
_ea1k 3y ago
I wouldn't say that nobody lifts a finger. There's a lot of analysis going on each year to try to improve the situation. And vehicle automation is seemingly starting to make progress on reducing various collision types, especially with pedestrians. But the fixes are much more complex and will necessarily take a lot more time. If your point is that we don't think enough about vehicular deaths, except for the ones that are in some way newsworthy, then I think you are completely right. Even worse, we don't account for lives saved and this skews perception in odd and potentially detrimental ways.
karaterobot 3y ago
There are lots of safety regulations around cars. Not only manufacturers, but drivers themselves are regulated. People who sell cars are regular. Streets are regulated. Signage is regulated. Every aspect is heavily regulated, and this regulation is enforced by police tens of thousands of times a day. I'm not even sure what you could mean when you say nobody is lifting a finger. Do you imagine there's some scenario in which nobody ever dies in a car, and this is what would be required to declare that a finger had been lifted?

40,000 deaths each year in the United States resulting from cars, and nobody lifts a finger. The side of a plane pops off a few miles up in the air and everybody loses their minds.

ironmagma 3y ago

You're making your (our) cause look bad. There are a lot of issues with cars but this isn't one of them. Cars essentially work as intended, and when they don't there are recalls, lawsuits, and NHTSA investigations.

error9348 3y ago
There are all kinds of externalities, including safety, which are ignored. US tax policy which allows write offs only for large vehicles which are more likely to cause deaths. Tire emissions. Congestion pricing -- common in Europe -- needs years or reviews and lawsuits. NHTSA doesn't require bicycle test devices.

nickvec 3y ago

And almost all of these deaths are the result of user (driver) error, whereas passengers on a flight have no say in Boeing's design of their planes and/or whether the door gets ripped off mid-flight. You're comparing apples and oranges here.

philipwhiuk 3y ago
Because passengers are incapable of choosing not to fly?

_ea1k 3y ago

I wouldn't say that nobody lifts a finger. There's a lot of analysis going on each year to try to improve the situation. And vehicle automation is seemingly starting to make progress on reducing various collision types, especially with pedestrians. But the fixes are much more complex and will necessarily take a lot more time. If your point is that we don't think enough about vehicular deaths, except for the ones that are in some way newsworthy, then I think you are completely right. Even worse, we don't account for lives saved and this skews perception in odd and potentially detrimental ways.

karaterobot 3y ago

There are lots of safety regulations around cars. Not only manufacturers, but drivers themselves are regulated. People who sell cars are regular. Streets are regulated. Signage is regulated. Every aspect is heavily regulated, and this regulation is enforced by police tens of thousands of times a day. I'm not even sure what you could mean when you say nobody is lifting a finger. Do you imagine there's some scenario in which nobody ever dies in a car, and this is what would be required to declare that a finger had been lifted?