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So what collective responsibility, if any, do those using gpt4 daily and helping improve it have when openai powered drones start being used and accruing civili

So what collective responsibility, if any, do those using gpt4 daily and helping improve it have when openai powered drones start being used and accruing civilian casualties?

klyrs 3y ago
GPT is trained on my shitposts. Am I included in this collective responsibility?
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  Hm, just as a thought experiment... if your shitposts included any form of implicit racism that affected the AI in a drone's decision of "is the civilian casualty worth acceptable or should I not fire"... then yes? I don't have a full answer to my own question to be honest. In the above example though, you'd never be able to prove that it was or wasn't your contribution so it's easy to say you bear no collective responsibility. But would it be true? I'm not sure, but I can't say definitively you would bear no responsibility.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    But here's the thing, I've been shitposting since before the eternal September. Long before LLMs were invented. I had no idea that my writings would ever be used in such a way. I'm trying to find an ethical analogue. If you dig up an old porno that I made 20 years ago, and show that to my child, am I responsible for the trauma it causes?
Spivak 3y ago
Do you feel that collective responsibility whenever you do taxable work or make taxable purchases in the US that funds our entire military? It should be orders of magnitude less responsibility than that.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  Honestly, yes. It's a weird duality of "but this is the reality I'm stuck in" and "however there is a collective responsibility for helping fund wars", but it's still functional. I would find it wrong to say "I bear no responsibility because that's just how things are" if that makes sense.
Tommstein 3y ago
None, unless they also get credit when it's used to save lives from the assorted assholes of the world.
kimjune01 3y ago
Same as paying taxes that fund the military
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  Hearing this a second time, I think there is a difference. Going without gpt4 can put you at a disadvantage for some work. Not paying taxes affects your life much more negatively. Given the different costs, logically it seems that paying taxes would be something you have less collective responsibility for.

So what collective responsibility, if any, do those using gpt4 daily and helping improve it have when openai powered drones start being used and accruing civilian casualties?

klyrs 3y ago

GPT is trained on my shitposts. Am I included in this collective responsibility?

ParetoOptimal 3y ago
Hm, just as a thought experiment... if your shitposts included any form of implicit racism that affected the AI in a drone's decision of "is the civilian casualty worth acceptable or should I not fire"... then yes? I don't have a full answer to my own question to be honest. In the above example though, you'd never be able to prove that it was or wasn't your contribution so it's easy to say you bear no collective responsibility. But would it be true? I'm not sure, but I can't say definitively you would bear no responsibility.
- klyrs 3y ago
  But here's the thing, I've been shitposting since before the eternal September. Long before LLMs were invented. I had no idea that my writings would ever be used in such a way. I'm trying to find an ethical analogue. If you dig up an old porno that I made 20 years ago, and show that to my child, am I responsible for the trauma it causes?

Spivak 3y ago

Do you feel that collective responsibility whenever you do taxable work or make taxable purchases in the US that funds our entire military? It should be orders of magnitude less responsibility than that.

ParetoOptimal 3y ago
Honestly, yes. It's a weird duality of "but this is the reality I'm stuck in" and "however there is a collective responsibility for helping fund wars", but it's still functional. I would find it wrong to say "I bear no responsibility because that's just how things are" if that makes sense.

Tommstein 3y ago

None, unless they also get credit when it's used to save lives from the assorted assholes of the world.

kimjune01 3y ago

Same as paying taxes that fund the military

ParetoOptimal 3y ago
Hearing this a second time, I think there is a difference. Going without gpt4 can put you at a disadvantage for some work. Not paying taxes affects your life much more negatively. Given the different costs, logically it seems that paying taxes would be something you have less collective responsibility for.