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> 1. you can call the military and they will bomb and kill the terrorists but 20 civilians will die. They are bombing refugee camps. Bulldozers are tearing up

> 1. you can call the military and they will bomb and kill the terrorists but 20 civilians will die. They are bombing refugee camps. Bulldozers are tearing up streets, just to make Gaza unlivable. Soldiers singing genocidal chants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15NyemgYDM&t=4548s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15NyemgYDM&t=4548s Making extremely cruel and deranged TikToks in destroyed homes. Politicians are talking about how there are no innocent civilians in Gaza. 80% of the people suffering catastrophic hunger in the world right now are in Gaza. I'd rather say you and anyone has two options here: a.) denounce the genocide and call for it to end and the people responsible to be prosecuted b.) support genocide in some form or other, beating around the bush in so many words, with all sorts of neat hypothetical faces to put on the despicable genocidal underbelly that is being rubbed in our faces. > All the anti Israel To criticize that is as much "Anti-Israel" as the White Rose was "Anti-German". Yeshayahu Leibowitz didn't love Israel less than the people who saw no problem. As Gideon Levy said, the friend of an alcoholic is not he who goes to the corner store to buy them alcohol, it's the one who tells them they have to stop.

wonderwonder 3y ago
"They are bombing refugee camps" Are there terrorists in these camps? Are there tunnels under these camps? "Making extremely cruel and deranged TikToks in destroyed homes" This is war... Soldiers have dehumanized their enemies since the beginning of time. Hamas actually has women and children they are holding hostage. What is Israel's other option? Let Hamas go to do it again? Hamas is very open even during this war in stating their goal is to destroy Israel and the US and wanting to repeat their killing of civilians. So again, serious question. What is Israel's alternative to the invasion? How do they immediately stop Hamas and prevent them from attacking Israel again with out doing what they are doing now? I think you will find, if you are serious that your response is "I don't know" Both of your options are invalid as choosing either does not resolve Israel's current situation which is that they have an openly genocidal terrorist army on their border and they can either eradicate it or allow it to continue to rape, murder and torture. Lets not forget that hamas still has a hundred civilians they have kidnapped, many of them women that they are refusing to return even though they had agreed to; likely because of what has been done to them in captivity. This is a fight for survival for both sides, its ugly but it has happened over and over through history. It will happen many more times. Its just humanity.
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  > "They are bombing refugee camps" Are there terrorists in these camps? Are there tunnels under these camps? Nope and nope. > "Making extremely cruel and deranged TikToks in destroyed homes" This is war... Soldiers have dehumanized their enemies since the beginning of time. They're dehumanizing civilians, including children. The last time we saw something like this was Abu Ghraib, and they didn't post that proudly on social media. > What is Israel's other option? Than to target civilians to take over the land, and hiding that behind the fig leaf of Hamas which was always preferred over moderates? As Smotrich said recently: "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability." I don't have to provide an alternative to genocide, ffs. It is not a permitted response to anything. > this is a fight for survival for both sides Nope, it's a fight for expansion for religious zealots, and a fight to stay in office and not be on trial for corruption for Netanyahu. Israeli society doesn't gain anything from this. Once this fully trickles down and the fallout is over, it will take decades for Israel to recover from this, if ever.
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wonderwonder 3y ago

"They are bombing refugee camps" Are there terrorists in these camps? Are there tunnels under these camps? "Making extremely cruel and deranged TikToks in destroyed homes" This is war... Soldiers have dehumanized their enemies since the beginning of time. Hamas actually has women and children they are holding hostage. What is Israel's other option? Let Hamas go to do it again? Hamas is very open even during this war in stating their goal is to destroy Israel and the US and wanting to repeat their killing of civilians. So again, serious question. What is Israel's alternative to the invasion? How do they immediately stop Hamas and prevent them from attacking Israel again with out doing what they are doing now? I think you will find, if you are serious that your response is "I don't know" Both of your options are invalid as choosing either does not resolve Israel's current situation which is that they have an openly genocidal terrorist army on their border and they can either eradicate it or allow it to continue to rape, murder and torture. Lets not forget that hamas still has a hundred civilians they have kidnapped, many of them women that they are refusing to return even though they had agreed to; likely because of what has been done to them in captivity. This is a fight for survival for both sides, its ugly but it has happened over and over through history. It will happen many more times. Its just humanity.

johnnyworker 3y ago
> "They are bombing refugee camps" Are there terrorists in these camps? Are there tunnels under these camps? Nope and nope. > "Making extremely cruel and deranged TikToks in destroyed homes" This is war... Soldiers have dehumanized their enemies since the beginning of time. They're dehumanizing civilians, including children. The last time we saw something like this was Abu Ghraib, and they didn't post that proudly on social media. > What is Israel's other option? Than to target civilians to take over the land, and hiding that behind the fig leaf of Hamas which was always preferred over moderates? As Smotrich said recently: "In the context of de-legitimization - Hamas is an asset (for Israel) and the Palestinian Authority is a liability." I don't have to provide an alternative to genocide, ffs. It is not a permitted response to anything. > this is a fight for survival for both sides Nope, it's a fight for expansion for religious zealots, and a fight to stay in office and not be on trial for corruption for Netanyahu. Israeli society doesn't gain anything from this. Once this fully trickles down and the fallout is over, it will take decades for Israel to recover from this, if ever.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
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