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> Aren't most modern constitutional monarchies just a veneer over a republican democracy anyways? it's the other way round, by the time of the rebellion absolu

> Aren't most modern constitutional monarchies just a veneer over a republican democracy anyways? it's the other way round, by the time of the rebellion absolute monarchy was long gone, the things the colonists didn't like were being passed by parliament the US then gave its presidency more power than George III would have dreamed of (in practice the presidency also seems to be prone to dynasties)

InTheArena 3y ago
Absolute monarchy was still a thread at this time. They just called it enlightened despotism. The colonists were objecting to taxation (and really any form of government) without representation, which both the monarch and the parliament were at fault for. Enlightened Despotism died when George III didn't apply reason (as the colonists saw it) to rectify the problem. In terms of power then George III would have dreamed of - yes, we live in a era when the power of government is still orders of magnitude greater then what anyone could have imagined at the time.
- blibble 3y ago
  > Absolute monarchy was still a thread at this time. The Civil War (1642-1651) was the last attempt at absolute monarchy in England then Bill of Rights (1688) put it well and truly to bed when Parliament decided they didn't like the current king and picked someone else, simultaneously stripping them of their powers it was well and truly dead by the time of the rebellion
  - InTheArena 3y ago
    Absolute monarchy never really existed in England. There is more to the world then England, and monarchy as government is still a thing. After all, a short hop-skip-jump across the channel, there is a French king soon to lose his head.
    - blibble 3y ago
      > Absolute monarchy never really existed in England. of course it did I suspect my English history is better than yours!
hangonhn 3y ago
> it's the other way round, by the time of the rebellion absolute monarchy was long gone, the things the colonists didn't like were being passed by parliament Wow. I feel foolish to have not come to that same conclusion until now despite knowing the same sets of facts as you. Great point.

InTheArena 3y ago

Absolute monarchy was still a thread at this time. They just called it enlightened despotism. The colonists were objecting to taxation (and really any form of government) without representation, which both the monarch and the parliament were at fault for. Enlightened Despotism died when George III didn't apply reason (as the colonists saw it) to rectify the problem. In terms of power then George III would have dreamed of - yes, we live in a era when the power of government is still orders of magnitude greater then what anyone could have imagined at the time.

blibble 3y ago
> Absolute monarchy was still a thread at this time. The Civil War (1642-1651) was the last attempt at absolute monarchy in England then Bill of Rights (1688) put it well and truly to bed when Parliament decided they didn't like the current king and picked someone else, simultaneously stripping them of their powers it was well and truly dead by the time of the rebellion
- InTheArena 3y ago
  Absolute monarchy never really existed in England. There is more to the world then England, and monarchy as government is still a thing. After all, a short hop-skip-jump across the channel, there is a French king soon to lose his head.
  - blibble 3y ago
    > Absolute monarchy never really existed in England. of course it did I suspect my English history is better than yours!

hangonhn 3y ago

> it's the other way round, by the time of the rebellion absolute monarchy was long gone, the things the colonists didn't like were being passed by parliament Wow. I feel foolish to have not come to that same conclusion until now despite knowing the same sets of facts as you. Great point.