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Centralized or Decentralized There Is No Question

21 points by billybuckwheat 3y ago

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zubairq 3y ago
I thought this explained well why decentralised systems are useful for people
kiitos 3y ago
> keep it in your domain. If you keep all your services within your own domain you retain control over the asset. Domains are governed by registrars which are clearly "centralized" according to the definitions of the linked article.
- Ferret7446 3y ago
  Well, you could use ENS.
  - kiitos 3y ago
    Sure, if you ran an Ethereum client locally -- which is of course infeasible for statistically everyone. Otherwise, you're still delegating trust to a third party.
    - Ferret7446 3y ago
      Well, you don't have to trust a third party, and it's verifiable. Anyone can run a DNS bridge (including yourself) and anyone can verify that it is behaving correctly.
      - kiitos 3y ago
        Unless you do that verification work as part of each DNS query, clients are still delegating trust to whatever service is responding to their requests.
Joel_Mckay 3y ago
I don't think Decentralized has a business model with a profit mode. Bots are now a fire-hose of LLM nonsense content, and thus the unregulated service failing in a Tragedy of the commons mode becomes a certitude ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ). Good luck though, it would be neat if it did work for some reason =)
- poisonborz 3y ago
  Simply selling standalone software for a fee, perhaps?
  - Joel_Mckay 3y ago
    Selling a commercial version of community projects usually doesn't go well. i.e. those paying for the storage and bandwidth tend to notice the asymmetry rather quickly. Everyone must get fed at the table in business (lifeboat politics) =)
    - poisonborz 3y ago
      That's the other thing, most software shouldn't depend on third party infra. Nowadays a user could be easily enabled to selfhost.
sprash 3y ago
Matrix and Mastodon are federated but not decentralized. I don't understand why the are getting advertised all the time. Alternatives like Zeronet are truly decentralized and barely get any mention.
- Arathorn 3y ago
  In Matrix conversations are decentralised by being replicated across the participating servers. It’s not just federated. Matrix isn’t p2p by default though - although there is a project to address that: https://arewep2pyet.com https://arewep2pyet.com

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zubairq 3y ago

I thought this explained well why decentralised systems are useful for people

kiitos 3y ago

> keep it in your domain. If you keep all your services within your own domain you retain control over the asset. Domains are governed by registrars which are clearly "centralized" according to the definitions of the linked article.

Ferret7446 3y ago
Well, you could use ENS.
- kiitos 3y ago
  Sure, if you ran an Ethereum client locally -- which is of course infeasible for statistically everyone. Otherwise, you're still delegating trust to a third party.
  - Ferret7446 3y ago
    Well, you don't have to trust a third party, and it's verifiable. Anyone can run a DNS bridge (including yourself) and anyone can verify that it is behaving correctly.
    - kiitos 3y ago
      Unless you do that verification work as part of each DNS query, clients are still delegating trust to whatever service is responding to their requests.

Joel_Mckay 3y ago

I don't think Decentralized has a business model with a profit mode. Bots are now a fire-hose of LLM nonsense content, and thus the unregulated service failing in a Tragedy of the commons mode becomes a certitude ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons ). Good luck though, it would be neat if it did work for some reason =)

poisonborz 3y ago
Simply selling standalone software for a fee, perhaps?
- Joel_Mckay 3y ago
  Selling a commercial version of community projects usually doesn't go well. i.e. those paying for the storage and bandwidth tend to notice the asymmetry rather quickly. Everyone must get fed at the table in business (lifeboat politics) =)
  - poisonborz 3y ago
    That's the other thing, most software shouldn't depend on third party infra. Nowadays a user could be easily enabled to selfhost.

sprash 3y ago

Matrix and Mastodon are federated but not decentralized. I don't understand why the are getting advertised all the time. Alternatives like Zeronet are truly decentralized and barely get any mention.

Arathorn 3y ago
In Matrix conversations are decentralised by being replicated across the participating servers. It’s not just federated. Matrix isn’t p2p by default though - although there is a project to address that: https://arewep2pyet.com https://arewep2pyet.com