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Does the faa have enough qualified staff and budget to review boeings planes? Does anyone other than Boeing have them, since noone else does it? Legitimate ques

Does the faa have enough qualified staff and budget to review boeings planes? Does anyone other than Boeing have them, since noone else does it? Legitimate question. Would you poach a bunch of engineers from the airlines/military?

bombcar 3y ago
You build it up over time by hiring direct from colleges (or even trade schools). It has to be a complete plan, not just a slap-dash "we can hire some people and the problem is solved". To do it best you do NOT hire from the industry, and if necessary you hire from unrelated industries (perhaps, for example, oil rig/pipeline inspectors).
burnerthrow008 3y ago
As a practical matter, the FAA might designate someone outside of Boeing to do the inspections (like maybe people from Lockheed or Grumman, who are not directly competing in the commercial airliner space). When you take a checkride at the end of training to earn your pilot certificate, it's not an FAA employee riding with you... it's a "DPE" or Designated Pilot Examiner, who is a private individual designated by the FAA to conduct check rides (and who often charges you a fee to administer the test). Occasionally an FAA employee will ride along with the student pilot and DPE to evaluate how the DPE is evaluating prospective pilots.
jgeada 3y ago
Isn't this the whole point of the "defund the government" approach? Deliberately sabotage the regulatory authorities, then use the fact that they no longer have the expertise and staff as a justification to outsource the regulation function over to the companies that were supposed to be inspected. And when it goes wrong, which it always does, make shocked pikachu face and claim that nothing can be done because we no longer have the capacity to regulate industry. This would be less infuriating if this was the first time, but it keeps happening again and again and people keep falling for it. It is immensely profitable for the few though, that might be why it keeps happening. The fix is easy, just requires time and budget: rebuild that expertise and refuse to certify anything until you have the necessary capabilities.
tuetuopay 3y ago
hire airbus to inspect boeing, and hire boeing to inspect airbus?
- nottorp 3y ago
  That would be fun... or end with both manufacturers being completely grounded by the other and we back to canoes and horse carriages :)
  - tappdarden 3y ago
    I would love for trains to get more attention in the US. ...
nottorp 3y ago
If you read the analysis published after the MCAS disaster, self certification is something recent so the FAA at least used to have people.

bombcar 3y ago

You build it up over time by hiring direct from colleges (or even trade schools). It has to be a complete plan, not just a slap-dash "we can hire some people and the problem is solved". To do it best you do NOT hire from the industry, and if necessary you hire from unrelated industries (perhaps, for example, oil rig/pipeline inspectors).

burnerthrow008 3y ago

As a practical matter, the FAA might designate someone outside of Boeing to do the inspections (like maybe people from Lockheed or Grumman, who are not directly competing in the commercial airliner space). When you take a checkride at the end of training to earn your pilot certificate, it's not an FAA employee riding with you... it's a "DPE" or Designated Pilot Examiner, who is a private individual designated by the FAA to conduct check rides (and who often charges you a fee to administer the test). Occasionally an FAA employee will ride along with the student pilot and DPE to evaluate how the DPE is evaluating prospective pilots.

jgeada 3y ago

Isn't this the whole point of the "defund the government" approach? Deliberately sabotage the regulatory authorities, then use the fact that they no longer have the expertise and staff as a justification to outsource the regulation function over to the companies that were supposed to be inspected. And when it goes wrong, which it always does, make shocked pikachu face and claim that nothing can be done because we no longer have the capacity to regulate industry. This would be less infuriating if this was the first time, but it keeps happening again and again and people keep falling for it. It is immensely profitable for the few though, that might be why it keeps happening. The fix is easy, just requires time and budget: rebuild that expertise and refuse to certify anything until you have the necessary capabilities.

tuetuopay 3y ago

hire airbus to inspect boeing, and hire boeing to inspect airbus?

nottorp 3y ago
That would be fun... or end with both manufacturers being completely grounded by the other and we back to canoes and horse carriages :)
- tappdarden 3y ago
  I would love for trains to get more attention in the US. ...

nottorp 3y ago

If you read the analysis published after the MCAS disaster, self certification is something recent so the FAA at least used to have people.