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Finally, after a couple of plane crashes, fantastic investigative journalism, and a door blowing off mid flight (thankfully that was caught on video and shared)

Finally, after a couple of plane crashes, fantastic investigative journalism, and a door blowing off mid flight (thankfully that was caught on video and shared). Too little, too late. We should regulate the regulators, bc I don't trust them either.

SoftTalker 3y ago
Do you think Boeing would have (or could have) swept that under the rug if there was no video of the incident? I don't think it makes sense for any manufacturer to be solely responsible for their own safety inspections. Too much incentive to cheat. Must be verified or at least randomly spot-checked independently.
- game_the0ry 3y ago
  > Do you think Boeing would have (or could have) swept that under the rug if there was no video of the incident? Yes. It is way more powerful to actually see what happen than to just hear a report about it. I think it was more powerful than even a plane crash that is not caught on film, even though many people would die. Do not underestimate the power of photo and video evidence.
  - danaris 3y ago
    I dunno; I think that in a case where you can see photos of a guy holding up a blown-off plane door that fell on (or next to? I don't recall the exact details) his house, video of the incident as it happened is just the icing on the cake.
wolverine876 3y ago
> We should regulate the regulators, bc I don't trust them either. We should have oversight, and we do, but it's hard to pick a worse example of bad regulation (or a better example of good regulation) than the FAA. Air travel safety is extraordinary.
- game_the0ry 3y ago
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  - ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
    Even with the two crashes air travel was still the safest form of travel those years (as it is every year, it has quite the buffer actually). This kind of fear mongering doesn't help anything. If airplanes were invented today people like you would have had them outlawed after the first accident.
    - junofan 3y ago
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      - Powdering7082 3y ago
        FHWA requested 68.9 billion for 2023. How many car crashes should there be? https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-03/FHWA_Budget_Estimates_FY23.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-03/F... For the curious: https://www.transportation.gov/mission/budget/fiscal-year-2023-budget-estimates https://www.transportation.gov/mission/budget/fiscal-year-20...
mc32 3y ago
Better late than not at all. I welcome a stringed regime of regulation for aircraft manufacturers and operators.
mardifoufs 3y ago
The plane crashes had nothing to do with inspection. You could've inspected a 737max down to every single bolt back in 2017 and not have prevented the crashes that happened after that.
- throwup238 3y ago
  It's clearly a systemic problem regardless.
- dogman144 3y ago
  737 crash was software and training quality. I think if you included those i. a mission critical systems inspection, under which software on planes is about as important as the bolts and metal, then you’d find preventions. Or, just talk on ex-BA SWE and learn about it from them.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    I don't disagree that the 737 crashes involved tons of systemic issues at boeing. I just don't think that federal inspections would've helped. There's almost no way a federal inspection system would be more effective than even the lacking software inspection Boeing had. You could get the systems to comply perfectly well with standards and certifications, like the 737max did, but still have issues. I don't think the 737max didn't meet federal standards or requirements (which a hypothetical federal inspector would have to apply and check for). the issue was more so that they weren't enough in those specific situations.
ActionHank 3y ago
Calm down, they are just considering it.
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SoftTalker 3y ago

Do you think Boeing would have (or could have) swept that under the rug if there was no video of the incident? I don't think it makes sense for any manufacturer to be solely responsible for their own safety inspections. Too much incentive to cheat. Must be verified or at least randomly spot-checked independently.

game_the0ry 3y ago
> Do you think Boeing would have (or could have) swept that under the rug if there was no video of the incident? Yes. It is way more powerful to actually see what happen than to just hear a report about it. I think it was more powerful than even a plane crash that is not caught on film, even though many people would die. Do not underestimate the power of photo and video evidence.
- danaris 3y ago
  I dunno; I think that in a case where you can see photos of a guy holding up a blown-off plane door that fell on (or next to? I don't recall the exact details) his house, video of the incident as it happened is just the icing on the cake.

wolverine876 3y ago

> We should regulate the regulators, bc I don't trust them either. We should have oversight, and we do, but it's hard to pick a worse example of bad regulation (or a better example of good regulation) than the FAA. Air travel safety is extraordinary.

game_the0ry 3y ago
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- ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
  Even with the two crashes air travel was still the safest form of travel those years (as it is every year, it has quite the buffer actually). This kind of fear mongering doesn't help anything. If airplanes were invented today people like you would have had them outlawed after the first accident.
  - junofan 3y ago
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    - Powdering7082 3y ago
      FHWA requested 68.9 billion for 2023. How many car crashes should there be? https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-03/FHWA_Budget_Estimates_FY23.pdf https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2022-03/F... For the curious: https://www.transportation.gov/mission/budget/fiscal-year-2023-budget-estimates https://www.transportation.gov/mission/budget/fiscal-year-20...

mc32 3y ago

Better late than not at all. I welcome a stringed regime of regulation for aircraft manufacturers and operators.

mardifoufs 3y ago

The plane crashes had nothing to do with inspection. You could've inspected a 737max down to every single bolt back in 2017 and not have prevented the crashes that happened after that.

throwup238 3y ago
It's clearly a systemic problem regardless.
dogman144 3y ago
737 crash was software and training quality. I think if you included those i. a mission critical systems inspection, under which software on planes is about as important as the bolts and metal, then you’d find preventions. Or, just talk on ex-BA SWE and learn about it from them.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  I don't disagree that the 737 crashes involved tons of systemic issues at boeing. I just don't think that federal inspections would've helped. There's almost no way a federal inspection system would be more effective than even the lacking software inspection Boeing had. You could get the systems to comply perfectly well with standards and certifications, like the 737max did, but still have issues. I don't think the 737max didn't meet federal standards or requirements (which a hypothetical federal inspector would have to apply and check for). the issue was more so that they weren't enough in those specific situations.

ActionHank 3y ago

Calm down, they are just considering it.

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