I know what you're getting at here, but one should never underestimate the ability of the "self-help" publishers and snake-oil communities in general to commerc

I know what you're getting at here, but one should never underestimate the ability of the "self-help" publishers and snake-oil communities in general to commercialize, popularize, and ultimately derail and derange any kind of wisdom they get their hands on. Lots of people involved in "self-improvement" also aren't being honest with themselves and are actually looking to rationalize whatever their existing bad behaviours are with sophisticated-seeming nonsense. Stoicism is like Buddhism or anything else here, where you're better off with primary sources or certain vetted guides/commentaries. Talking to certain segments of people that loudly consider themselves practitioners may not be the best way to actually get acquainted with the philosophy..