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I was about to say, I don’t see why one would feel more uncomfortable about selling them a glorified data analytics platform, as opposed to selling them cloud c

I was about to say, I don’t see why one would feel more uncomfortable about selling them a glorified data analytics platform, as opposed to selling them cloud compute resources or Office365 subscription (while keeping in mind that all of those would be used for “war-related missions”). EDIT: The parent comment has been substantially changed since I posted this reply. Originally, it just said “yes.” Considering what it currently states after the edit (going into a side-tangent about UN’s inaction against Saudi Arabia’s activities in Yemen, as well as their anti-Israel bias), it changes the context of my reply fairly significantly.

wonderwonder 3y ago
Agreed, not to mention the US / Lockheed / Boeing etc. openly provides the weapons and bombs used. Palintir is a drop in the bucket.
bhouston 3y ago
Israel is using AI apparently to target their bombings: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an-ai-system-to-find-targets-in-gaza-experts-say-its-just-the-st https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an... These are the bombings that Biden has referred to as indiscriminate, which is technically a war crime. Does that mean that the market of the AI software is partially responsible for war crime enabled by its software? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-14/biden-calls-gaza-bombing-indiscriminate-either-way-it-isn-t-smart https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-14/biden-...
- filoleg 3y ago
  > Israel is using AI apparently to target their bombings How does that have anything to do with Palantir or even foreign countries providing military support to Israel? The AI system in the article you linked was developed in-house by Israeli military. > These are the bombings that Biden has referred to as indiscriminate I don’t want get into an argument on an unrelated topic or defend Israel whatsoever, but indiscriminate? You realize that the AI system described is only used for generating the initial list of potential target locations, right? The human analysts are the ones reviewing the targets and all relevant intel manually, and and then deciding which ones to act on. Their AI doesn’t make decisions or “pull the trigger” or aim or anything like that. The AI is only in the loop for the very first step of the process (which is just generating a rough initial draft of potential target locations), every step after that is all good old manual work that would happen the exact same way as if AI didn’t exist at all. None of this is a guess or a conjecture on my part, it was explicitly stated in the NPR article you linked.
  - bhouston 3y ago
    > The AI system in the article you linked was developed in-house by Israeli military. Given that Palantir is just starting this partnership, they could be the ones providing the next version of AI targeting technology. This isn't theoretical, this is the type of stuff Palantir is involved in. > The AI is only in the loop for the very first step of the process (which is just generating a rough initial draft of potential target locations), every step after that is all good old manual work that would happen the exact same way as if AI didn’t exist at all. We probably agree here to some degree. But I still wouldn't want to be personally creating technology that is being used for indiscriminate bombings, even if it is only partially responsible.

wonderwonder 3y ago

Agreed, not to mention the US / Lockheed / Boeing etc. openly provides the weapons and bombs used. Palintir is a drop in the bucket.

bhouston 3y ago

Israel is using AI apparently to target their bombings: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an-ai-system-to-find-targets-in-gaza-experts-say-its-just-the-st https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/1218643254/israel-is-using-an... These are the bombings that Biden has referred to as indiscriminate, which is technically a war crime. Does that mean that the market of the AI software is partially responsible for war crime enabled by its software? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-14/biden-calls-gaza-bombing-indiscriminate-either-way-it-isn-t-smart https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-12-14/biden-...

filoleg 3y ago
> Israel is using AI apparently to target their bombings How does that have anything to do with Palantir or even foreign countries providing military support to Israel? The AI system in the article you linked was developed in-house by Israeli military. > These are the bombings that Biden has referred to as indiscriminate I don’t want get into an argument on an unrelated topic or defend Israel whatsoever, but indiscriminate? You realize that the AI system described is only used for generating the initial list of potential target locations, right? The human analysts are the ones reviewing the targets and all relevant intel manually, and and then deciding which ones to act on. Their AI doesn’t make decisions or “pull the trigger” or aim or anything like that. The AI is only in the loop for the very first step of the process (which is just generating a rough initial draft of potential target locations), every step after that is all good old manual work that would happen the exact same way as if AI didn’t exist at all. None of this is a guess or a conjecture on my part, it was explicitly stated in the NPR article you linked.
- bhouston 3y ago
  > The AI system in the article you linked was developed in-house by Israeli military. Given that Palantir is just starting this partnership, they could be the ones providing the next version of AI targeting technology. This isn't theoretical, this is the type of stuff Palantir is involved in. > The AI is only in the loop for the very first step of the process (which is just generating a rough initial draft of potential target locations), every step after that is all good old manual work that would happen the exact same way as if AI didn’t exist at all. We probably agree here to some degree. But I still wouldn't want to be personally creating technology that is being used for indiscriminate bombings, even if it is only partially responsible.