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Do you have quote from, sic, "Dems" to this effect? One dem isn't sufficient, you need "many". (Incidentally, "many" is one of my favorite weasel words). If
by jbooth 15y ago
Do you have quote from, sic, "Dems" to this effect? One dem isn't sufficient, you need "many". (Incidentally, "many" is one of my favorite weasel words).
If the dems are bad on this issue for voting no, what does that make the people who votes yes?
- tptacek 15y agoLook up the Rockefeller Cybersecurity bill from the Senate from 2009.
- jbooth 15y agoYou're aware this vote was in the house, right? So you've provided exactly zero out of "many" dems who voted against this bill because they wanted to do way worse. What's your opinion of the republicans who voted yes for this bill? It must be worse than voting no, right? Or is this just a partisan issue? I've no doubt that there have been democrats on the wrong side of these issues at various points. Chris Dodd was a democrat. But don't tell me a "no" vote is actually worse than a "yes" vote on this bill. The only way you can contort yourself into that position is putting partisan loyalty ahead of critical thinking.
- tptacek 15y agoI don't understand what you're trying to say here. The Administration has publicly stated that CISPA doesn't go far enough to protect critical information systems. The Administration supported the Rockefeller Senate Cybersecurity bill; the Republicans opposed it. I have a generally low opinion of this bill, and of the Senate Cybersecurity bill. I think what's needed is liability, not do-nothing "sharing" or top-down Raytheon audits. You can safely assume that I've actually read the bill (what I believe to be the final version, including the Amendments that survived) before commenting on it.
- jbooth 15y agoI'm sure the administration, in between threats to veto CISPA, said that it was also ineffective and you could construe that to mean they really want something way more invasive than this. I wouldn't, but you could. So if you have a low opinion of this bill, how come the only people you came into this thread cursing are the people who voted against it? Also, you actually read the bill? How many pages was it? Did you read all of the laws it references and amends as well? You're more versed on this matter than probably 95% of the congressmen who voted on it.
- tptacek 15y agoQuestion 1: I'm not cursing the Democrats. I'm warning you: you will like their vision of how to secure "cyberspace" less than you will like CISPA. Go read the Rockefeller bill. I am not shilling for CISPA; I think CISPA is silly. Question 2: Yes, I have read CISPA. Question 3: CISPA is very short. Question 4: Yes, I read all 4 of the amendments that survived the vote. CISPA doesn't specifically reference any other law, but I happen to be familiar with the ECPA and HIPAA too, for professional reasons. I agree that I'm better versed on this matter than virtually everyone who voted for or against it, but that is faint praise indeed.
- jbooth 15y agoWell, I'll back off and call it a night, it was just supremely irritating, after seeing something like this passed, that the top comment on hacker news is saying the real bad guys are the ones who voted against it. I'll take you at your word that that wasn't your intention.
- tptacek 15y agoI feel your pain: the truth is often supremely irritating.
- jbooth 15y agoAnd the contrarian always feels wise. The truth is that the democrats voted against this and Obama publicly threatened to veto it. But you're wise in your cynicism that "they're all the same" and this is a trick to lull us into something worse.