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Is there a way to make your point without the ad-hominem or the accusations, and with more references? You've accused him of deliberately and repeatedly lying (

by Xuzz 14y ago

Is there a way to make your point without the ad-hominem or the accusations, and with more references? You've accused him of deliberately and repeatedly lying (a pretty serious accusation for one of the top HN contributors); do you have any evidence besides your differing interpretation of his citation? (And I still do not see how it is at all related to copyright.)

throwaway64 14y ago
not commenting about the other issues, but CISPA grants legal immunity if "theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information." (exact quote from the text of the bill) is thought to be occurring, and information is shared, it is very much related to copyright.
- tptacek 14y ago
  It is likely you are working from the first draft of the bill without its amendments. In particular, later amendments narrow "cyber threats" to: ‘(3) CYBER THREAT INFORMATION.— ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘cyber threat information’ means information directly pertaining to— ‘‘(i) a vulnerability of a system or net- work of a government or private entity; ‘‘(ii) a threat to the integrity, con- fidentiality, or availability of a system or network of a government or private entity or any information stored on, processed on, or transiting such a system or network; ‘‘(iii) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy a system or network of a govern- ment or private entity; or ‘‘(iv) efforts to gain unauthorized ac- cess to a system or network of a govern- ment or private entity, including to gain such unauthorized access for the purpose of exfiltrating information stored on, proc- essed on, or transiting a system or network of a government or private entity I'm not seeing BitTorrent in there. (By the way, I don't think you deserve the downvotes for bringing this up. I found the amendments aggravating to track down, too. I'd been working from an earlier draft of CISPA that struck "intellectual property", which turned out not to be the one the House voted on.)
guelo 14y ago
What does being one of the top contributors have to do with anything? Everybody should be criticized when they deserve to be.

by Xuzz 14y ago

throwaway64 14y ago

not commenting about the other issues, but CISPA grants legal immunity if "theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information." (exact quote from the text of the bill) is thought to be occurring, and information is shared, it is very much related to copyright.

tptacek 14y ago
It is likely you are working from the first draft of the bill without its amendments. In particular, later amendments narrow "cyber threats" to: ‘(3) CYBER THREAT INFORMATION.— ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘cyber threat information’ means information directly pertaining to— ‘‘(i) a vulnerability of a system or net- work of a government or private entity; ‘‘(ii) a threat to the integrity, con- fidentiality, or availability of a system or network of a government or private entity or any information stored on, processed on, or transiting such a system or network; ‘‘(iii) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy a system or network of a govern- ment or private entity; or ‘‘(iv) efforts to gain unauthorized ac- cess to a system or network of a govern- ment or private entity, including to gain such unauthorized access for the purpose of exfiltrating information stored on, proc- essed on, or transiting a system or network of a government or private entity I'm not seeing BitTorrent in there. (By the way, I don't think you deserve the downvotes for bringing this up. I found the amendments aggravating to track down, too. I'd been working from an earlier draft of CISPA that struck "intellectual property", which turned out not to be the one the House voted on.)

guelo 14y ago

What does being one of the top contributors have to do with anything? Everybody should be criticized when they deserve to be.