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So, Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved... but when Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callc

So, Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved... but when Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it, and leak the first raid to the scammers beforehand? [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q

alephnerd 3y ago
> Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved Because terrorism related stuff falls under the Indian equivalent of Homeland Security, even if it's local PD triaging. > Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it Raids that are not National Security related need coordination between the Federal Government and State Government in India. The scamming call centers are located in a state called West Bengal. West Bengal is ruled by a regional opposition party called the TMC. West Bengal removed it's consent for Federal Police in India to raid without the consent of West Bengal Police. This ended up in the Supreme Court for a couple years [0]. On top of that, the scamming call centers are closely tied to the ruling party machinery in that state, as you need to get a license from the state government to operate a call center, and these kinds of call centers will often be donating to local political parties to look the other way. Watch Jamtara on Netflix. It's a good overview on the economics of scam calls in India. [0] - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-entity-union-of-india-has-no-control-over-it-centre-tells-supreme-court-2764505 https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-ent...
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Ah, so that is the reason why it's always West Bengal that's mentioned in SP and the other scambaiter videos? I had wondered about that before - I thought that it's mostly because he has infiltrated some local scammer coordination group on Whatsapp. Many thanks for the context!
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Np. India is a federal democracy like the US. The same kind of state-federal clashes that happen in the US happen in India. Think of Indian democracy as being similar to American democracy in the 1890s-1930s, when local despots like Huey Long and populists like William Jennings Bryan roamed the planet. > that is the reason why it's always West Bengal Yep. In other states they either will get raided by the Federal Police (eg. CBI) or the economics of running a call center doesn't make sense. To run a scamming call center you need a low cost English speaking population AND Political Backing. Most states in India will have 1, but not 2 (or at least, not for call centers).

alephnerd 3y ago

> Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved Because terrorism related stuff falls under the Indian equivalent of Homeland Security, even if it's local PD triaging. > Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it Raids that are not National Security related need coordination between the Federal Government and State Government in India. The scamming call centers are located in a state called West Bengal. West Bengal is ruled by a regional opposition party called the TMC. West Bengal removed it's consent for Federal Police in India to raid without the consent of West Bengal Police. This ended up in the Supreme Court for a couple years [0]. On top of that, the scamming call centers are closely tied to the ruling party machinery in that state, as you need to get a license from the state government to operate a call center, and these kinds of call centers will often be donating to local political parties to look the other way. Watch Jamtara on Netflix. It's a good overview on the economics of scam calls in India. [0] - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-entity-union-of-india-has-no-control-over-it-centre-tells-supreme-court-2764505 https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-ent...

mschuster91 3y ago
Ah, so that is the reason why it's always West Bengal that's mentioned in SP and the other scambaiter videos? I had wondered about that before - I thought that it's mostly because he has infiltrated some local scammer coordination group on Whatsapp. Many thanks for the context!
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Np. India is a federal democracy like the US. The same kind of state-federal clashes that happen in the US happen in India. Think of Indian democracy as being similar to American democracy in the 1890s-1930s, when local despots like Huey Long and populists like William Jennings Bryan roamed the planet. > that is the reason why it's always West Bengal Yep. In other states they either will get raided by the Federal Police (eg. CBI) or the economics of running a call center doesn't make sense. To run a scamming call center you need a low cost English speaking population AND Political Backing. Most states in India will have 1, but not 2 (or at least, not for call centers).