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IMO. There is no way Indian Police is competent enough to DDOS your service.

soraminazuki 3y ago
Government authorities purchasing shady cyberweapons is a well documented issue. It would a pleasant surprise if there was any government on Earth that didn't do such things out of respect for basic human rights. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=nso https://hn.algolia.com/?q=nso
Thorrez 3y ago
It's not too hard to DDOS a website. Here's the 9th google result for booter service: https://nightmarestresser.net/ https://nightmarestresser.net/
rst 3y ago
DDoS-for-hire services exist. They don't have to build their own.
alephnerd 3y ago
They definitely are. Beat cops definitely aren't, but most police forces in India are state level and a couple are federal, and will usually have a Task Force devoted to offensive and defensive security, and if not, will contract out to companies like Appin Security Group (who were able to force Reuters and SentinelOne to remove their report into how the private-public cyber model in India operated [0]) Also, after the 2008 Mumbai Attacks, the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs began working on coordinating and centralizing Metadata Analysis and Monitoring [1][2][3], because they unable to trace the VoIP calls used by LeT [4]. If it was actually National Security related, it would have went through a couple fusion centers that the Indian government formed [5][6]. If it was some local PD asking the platform, they probably wouldn't have the capabilities to DDOS [0] - https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-hackers-appin/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-hack... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Monitoring_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Monitoring_System [2] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATGRID https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATGRID [3] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_NETRA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_NETRA [4] - https://www.wired.com/2008/12/mumbai-and-voip/ https://www.wired.com/2008/12/mumbai-and-voip/ [5] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cyber_Coordination_Centre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cyber_Coordination_... [6] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Cyber_Crime_Coordination_Centre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Cyber_Crime_Coordinat...
- mschuster91 3y ago
  So, Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved... but when Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it, and leak the first raid to the scammers beforehand? [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved Because terrorism related stuff falls under the Indian equivalent of Homeland Security, even if it's local PD triaging. > Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it Raids that are not National Security related need coordination between the Federal Government and State Government in India. The scamming call centers are located in a state called West Bengal. West Bengal is ruled by a regional opposition party called the TMC. West Bengal removed it's consent for Federal Police in India to raid without the consent of West Bengal Police. This ended up in the Supreme Court for a couple years [0]. On top of that, the scamming call centers are closely tied to the ruling party machinery in that state, as you need to get a license from the state government to operate a call center, and these kinds of call centers will often be donating to local political parties to look the other way. Watch Jamtara on Netflix. It's a good overview on the economics of scam calls in India. [0] - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-entity-union-of-india-has-no-control-over-it-centre-tells-supreme-court-2764505 https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-ent...
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      Ah, so that is the reason why it's always West Bengal that's mentioned in SP and the other scambaiter videos? I had wondered about that before - I thought that it's mostly because he has infiltrated some local scammer coordination group on Whatsapp. Many thanks for the context!

Government authorities purchasing shady cyberweapons is a well documented issue. It would a pleasant surprise if there was any government on Earth that didn't do such things out of respect for basic human rights. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=nso https://hn.algolia.com/?q=nso

Thorrez 3y ago

It's not too hard to DDOS a website. Here's the 9th google result for booter service: https://nightmarestresser.net/ https://nightmarestresser.net/

rst 3y ago

DDoS-for-hire services exist. They don't have to build their own.

alephnerd 3y ago

They definitely are. Beat cops definitely aren't, but most police forces in India are state level and a couple are federal, and will usually have a Task Force devoted to offensive and defensive security, and if not, will contract out to companies like Appin Security Group (who were able to force Reuters and SentinelOne to remove their report into how the private-public cyber model in India operated [0]) Also, after the 2008 Mumbai Attacks, the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs began working on coordinating and centralizing Metadata Analysis and Monitoring [1][2][3], because they unable to trace the VoIP calls used by LeT [4]. If it was actually National Security related, it would have went through a couple fusion centers that the Indian government formed [5][6]. If it was some local PD asking the platform, they probably wouldn't have the capabilities to DDOS [0] - https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-hackers-appin/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-hack... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Monitoring_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Monitoring_System [2] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATGRID https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATGRID [3] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_NETRA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_NETRA [4] - https://www.wired.com/2008/12/mumbai-and-voip/ https://www.wired.com/2008/12/mumbai-and-voip/ [5] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cyber_Coordination_Centre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cyber_Coordination_... [6] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Cyber_Crime_Coordination_Centre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Cyber_Crime_Coordinat...

mschuster91 3y ago
So, Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved... but when Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it, and leak the first raid to the scammers beforehand? [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdEELggaY5Q
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > Indian police is actually able to do quite the lot of pressure when terrorism is involved Because terrorism related stuff falls under the Indian equivalent of Homeland Security, even if it's local PD triaging. > Americans like Scammer Payback report giant scam callcenters with credible evidence, they take well over a year to raid it Raids that are not National Security related need coordination between the Federal Government and State Government in India. The scamming call centers are located in a state called West Bengal. West Bengal is ruled by a regional opposition party called the TMC. West Bengal removed it's consent for Federal Police in India to raid without the consent of West Bengal Police. This ended up in the Supreme Court for a couple years [0]. On top of that, the scamming call centers are closely tied to the ruling party machinery in that state, as you need to get a license from the state government to operate a call center, and these kinds of call centers will often be donating to local political parties to look the other way. Watch Jamtara on Netflix. It's a good overview on the economics of scam calls in India. [0] - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-entity-union-of-india-has-no-control-over-it-centre-tells-supreme-court-2764505 https://www.deccanherald.com/india/cbi-independent-legal-ent...
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Ah, so that is the reason why it's always West Bengal that's mentioned in SP and the other scambaiter videos? I had wondered about that before - I thought that it's mostly because he has infiltrated some local scammer coordination group on Whatsapp. Many thanks for the context!