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Agreed with this, but my main issue is the price. In Europe, the family plan is €23.99. In contrast, Netflix is €12.99 (2 devices, 1080p). Now they obviously h

Agreed with this, but my main issue is the price. In Europe, the family plan is €23.99. In contrast, Netflix is €12.99 (2 devices, 1080p). Now they obviously have very different economics and features, but in my regular use I don't really care about that, I just see double the cost for YouTube. This is doubly annoying since most of the YouTube channels I watch earn almost nothing from YouTube and instead subsist on money from sponsors. YouTube is obviously providing "free" hosting, management tools, and traffic to these channels. However, YouTube also spends nothing on content creation and assumes none of the risk. Oh, and I'm also paying for YouTube Music, which I never use. So it just seems like an expensive, bad deal as a consumer. And my alternative is the "free" site which is has an appalling number of commercials and keeps getting worse. So bad deals all around.

jnsaff2 3y ago
Also I find it very hard to not be cynical about what google does my data even if I pay for Youtube. I would be surprised if they did not learn from my viewing history what my interests are and then try to sell my eyeballs outside of youtube for much more money. Also as a counter point to myself or actually rather to the whole targeted ads thing: where I can't block youtube ads (mostly iphone) I get the dumbest effing ads that I would never click or have zero interest in. About 80% are casino, gambling, betting, etc .. absolutely zero chance I would try any of that. Rest is either feminine products or served in a language I find offensive. They have the data on me but fail to do anything useful with it.
- jsnell 3y ago
  You've almost certainly told them not to use the data (either any data, or just YouTube watch history, which have separate controls), and they're honoring that request. But you've now built some contorted mental model where you think they must obviously be lying about while also being completely incompetent at using said data. Just how hard is it to believe that they're not lying in the first place?
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
    > Just how hard is it to believe that they're not lying in the first place? Very. They have motive, means, and opportunity to lie. The consequences if caught lying about collecting and using data after they said they weren't range from non-existent to negligible.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      Also every time they get caught they claim it’s an honest mistake. Just a few weeks ago they had to pay fines for siphoning data from PRIVATE chrome windows.
zelphirkalt 3y ago
For that kind of money I can rent a whole server with unlimited traffic, sufficient for 10 times my YouTube video consumption.
- true_religion 3y ago
  YouTube also has to pay for people to make content.
  - zelphirkalt 3y ago
    YouTube pays creators for making them sufficient ad revenue. It depends on number of subscribers and views and such things. It is not like YouTube goes around looking for great content and asks people whether YouTube can pay them to make videos for their platform. But aside from that, some creators manage to get funded by people, who simply like their content. This is a more natural way of creating value. I would rather like to see creators being crowdfunded, than artificially pushed creations for the sake of ad revenue. Currently creators are often afraid of getting videos demonetized, for saying anything critical.

jnsaff2 3y ago

Also I find it very hard to not be cynical about what google does my data even if I pay for Youtube. I would be surprised if they did not learn from my viewing history what my interests are and then try to sell my eyeballs outside of youtube for much more money. Also as a counter point to myself or actually rather to the whole targeted ads thing: where I can't block youtube ads (mostly iphone) I get the dumbest effing ads that I would never click or have zero interest in. About 80% are casino, gambling, betting, etc .. absolutely zero chance I would try any of that. Rest is either feminine products or served in a language I find offensive. They have the data on me but fail to do anything useful with it.

jsnell 3y ago
You've almost certainly told them not to use the data (either any data, or just YouTube watch history, which have separate controls), and they're honoring that request. But you've now built some contorted mental model where you think they must obviously be lying about while also being completely incompetent at using said data. Just how hard is it to believe that they're not lying in the first place?
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
  > Just how hard is it to believe that they're not lying in the first place? Very. They have motive, means, and opportunity to lie. The consequences if caught lying about collecting and using data after they said they weren't range from non-existent to negligible.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    Also every time they get caught they claim it’s an honest mistake. Just a few weeks ago they had to pay fines for siphoning data from PRIVATE chrome windows.

zelphirkalt 3y ago

For that kind of money I can rent a whole server with unlimited traffic, sufficient for 10 times my YouTube video consumption.

true_religion 3y ago
YouTube also has to pay for people to make content.
- zelphirkalt 3y ago
  YouTube pays creators for making them sufficient ad revenue. It depends on number of subscribers and views and such things. It is not like YouTube goes around looking for great content and asks people whether YouTube can pay them to make videos for their platform. But aside from that, some creators manage to get funded by people, who simply like their content. This is a more natural way of creating value. I would rather like to see creators being crowdfunded, than artificially pushed creations for the sake of ad revenue. Currently creators are often afraid of getting videos demonetized, for saying anything critical.