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It maybe be irrational, but the absolute arrogance of the author is off-putting and makes me reluctant to use any of his creations (which may be great I don't d

by zvmaz 3y ago

It maybe be irrational, but the absolute arrogance of the author is off-putting and makes me reluctant to use any of his creations (which may be great I don't deny). I may have developed a heuristic that tells me to be very suspicious of people that are so sure and full of themselves as to become dangerous because they can be spectacularly wrong. It may have stemmed from the pandemic... So, sure, you are smart and clever, but no.

notso411 3y ago
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agumonkey 3y ago
I never really got what made people so allergic to Wolfram. After the many outrages online I tried to dig and I never found anything shocking. There's not too many mention of "I" or too many self flattering hyperboles.. so I don't know.
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- Qem 3y ago
  > I never really got what made people so allergic to Wolfram. After the many outrages online I tried to dig and I never found anything shocking For me it was trying to pass his employees work as if it were his own, through NDAs and lawsuits, like happened in this case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 https://www.complex-systems.com/abstracts/v15_i01_a01/ https://www.complex-systems.com/abstracts/v15_i01_a01/ We only know this case because the employee fought back. Makes one wonder how many similar cases happened but never surfaced.
  - agumonkey 3y ago
    Oh interesting.
    - Qem 3y ago
      Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13961947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13961947
nextaccountic 3y ago
I don't care about arrogance, but closed source languages have no place in the 21th century IMO. I could use it if they open sourced at least the compiler
- phonon 3y ago
  Well, there is https://github.com/WolframResearch/codeparser https://github.com/WolframResearch/codeparser
  - nextaccountic 3y ago
    I'm happy that wolfram research decided to open source a few libraries, and it would be awesome if they eventually followed the steps of .NET Core and other formely closed ecosystems and opened up the whole toolchain
- jhbadger 3y ago
  There's Mathics, a subset of the language implemented in Python, but unfortunately after the main author of that was hired by Wolfram, the project seems to have basically died. Still fun for what it is. https://mathics.org/ https://mathics.org/
glimshe 3y ago
Arrogance is not only annoying, but also indicative that the person isn't as good as they appear. Wolfram is different, however. Yeah, he's probably insecure due to some childhood-related reason, but don't let this trick you into believing he's just some random Internet person full of hot air. This guy is a genius and a fantastic explainer. His arrogance is just one of his well-documented personality quirks. Just look the other way and try to learn something from him.
EasyMark 3y ago
He's actually very intelligent and has a record of producing a very successful and well loved product by many. He did things on his own terms and I can respect him for it, even if he would probably annoy the hell out of me in real life if we were just grabbing dinner.
phforms 3y ago
I recommend to watch some of his regular livestreams on Twitch [1], where I have learned that he is also a quite humble, honest and kind person. Albeit one who likes to hear himself talk (and is aware of that), but I also really enjoy his ramblings on science somehow. With all the things he has accomplished and his competence across different fields, I don’t mind him being arrogant sometimes. He is working in the area of fundamentals of science, so of course there will be bold claims made - anyone can judge for themself if they hold water. Science in institutions is often stuck in its entrenched paths and few people dare (or cannot afford) to step outside and try new things, especially across different fields. I believe people like Wolfram, who have earned the knowledge and experience to be able to make a serious attempt on advancing science in new and different ways, are a very valuable resource for humanity, even if they may not succeed. [1]: https://livestreams.stephenwolfram.com https://livestreams.stephenwolfram.com

by zvmaz 3y ago

notso411 3y ago

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agumonkey 3y ago

I never really got what made people so allergic to Wolfram. After the many outrages online I tried to dig and I never found anything shocking. There's not too many mention of "I" or too many self flattering hyperboles.. so I don't know.

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Qem 3y ago
> I never really got what made people so allergic to Wolfram. After the many outrages online I tried to dig and I never found anything shocking For me it was trying to pass his employees work as if it were his own, through NDAs and lawsuits, like happened in this case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_110 https://www.complex-systems.com/abstracts/v15_i01_a01/ https://www.complex-systems.com/abstracts/v15_i01_a01/ We only know this case because the employee fought back. Makes one wonder how many similar cases happened but never surfaced.
- agumonkey 3y ago
  Oh interesting.
  - Qem 3y ago
    Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13961947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13961947

nextaccountic 3y ago

I don't care about arrogance, but closed source languages have no place in the 21th century IMO. I could use it if they open sourced at least the compiler

phonon 3y ago
Well, there is https://github.com/WolframResearch/codeparser https://github.com/WolframResearch/codeparser
- nextaccountic 3y ago
  I'm happy that wolfram research decided to open source a few libraries, and it would be awesome if they eventually followed the steps of .NET Core and other formely closed ecosystems and opened up the whole toolchain
jhbadger 3y ago
There's Mathics, a subset of the language implemented in Python, but unfortunately after the main author of that was hired by Wolfram, the project seems to have basically died. Still fun for what it is. https://mathics.org/ https://mathics.org/

glimshe 3y ago

Arrogance is not only annoying, but also indicative that the person isn't as good as they appear. Wolfram is different, however. Yeah, he's probably insecure due to some childhood-related reason, but don't let this trick you into believing he's just some random Internet person full of hot air. This guy is a genius and a fantastic explainer. His arrogance is just one of his well-documented personality quirks. Just look the other way and try to learn something from him.

EasyMark 3y ago

He's actually very intelligent and has a record of producing a very successful and well loved product by many. He did things on his own terms and I can respect him for it, even if he would probably annoy the hell out of me in real life if we were just grabbing dinner.

phforms 3y ago

I recommend to watch some of his regular livestreams on Twitch [1], where I have learned that he is also a quite humble, honest and kind person. Albeit one who likes to hear himself talk (and is aware of that), but I also really enjoy his ramblings on science somehow. With all the things he has accomplished and his competence across different fields, I don’t mind him being arrogant sometimes. He is working in the area of fundamentals of science, so of course there will be bold claims made - anyone can judge for themself if they hold water. Science in institutions is often stuck in its entrenched paths and few people dare (or cannot afford) to step outside and try new things, especially across different fields. I believe people like Wolfram, who have earned the knowledge and experience to be able to make a serious attempt on advancing science in new and different ways, are a very valuable resource for humanity, even if they may not succeed. [1]: https://livestreams.stephenwolfram.com https://livestreams.stephenwolfram.com