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> like around 1.2-1.5 billion people who call themselves muslims abstain from alcohol Right, and all 2.4 billion people who call themselves christians all love
by bzzzt 3y ago
> like around 1.2-1.5 billion people who call themselves muslims abstain from alcohol
Right, and all 2.4 billion people who call themselves christians all love their neighbors?
> We just have never heard of them.
You can read that in two very different ways.
While I presume there will be less incidents if alcohol use and especially alcohol abuse is not normalized in a society there are lots of people calling themselves muslims in the world that did or do drink alcohol.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago>there are lots of people calling themselves muslims in the world that did or do drink alcohol. i am saying the societal pressure TO DRINK is not present in 1.5 billion people. someone who wants to still go ahead and drink isn't being discussed.
- strken 3y agoSomeone who drinks must be discussed if you're designing a study about the effects of alcohol. The reason is irrelevant. One can, for example, imagine a world where a culture of covert hidden drinking in specific Muslim countries gives the proposed benefits of moderate drinking to some of the population. A study that assumed no Muslims drank would thus be flawed because it would include a group that actually was drinking all along.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago> A study that assumed no Muslims drank would thus be flawed Well gee, I guess you're right. If only there were some sort of test to determine if a person had been drinking, and how much alcohol they'd had. Someone should get right on that.
- rajamaka 3y agoWhat test that can determine someone has never drank alcohol?
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoMoving the goalposts, eh?
- InCityDreams 3y agoKnowing someone who is a regular binge-abuser of alcohol, they just don't drink (for many days) before blood tests - their ranges go down.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoYou guys don't seem to care about the extreme market differences that may prevail in a culture where nobody is even supposed to be drinking. Certainly a binge-abuser can get a hold of alcohol on the black market at a certain price, but in general, if Islam is established somewhere such that the corner liquor stores don't carry liquor at all, how many people will be alcoholics on the D.L. anyway? If alcohol can't be had on the market under normal circumstances, is it not reasonable and rational to presume that most subjects would not be clandestine binge-alcoholics who hide it so well that weekly testing won't catch it? I mean, really.
- glitchcrab 3y agoThey're not moving the goalposts because the goalposts were never where you thought they were. There's nothing wrong with proposing a study such as yours but if you don't anticipate all the possible influences on your study then you'll only end up with data which is (potentially unknowingly) incorrect.
- strken 3y agoWhat is the exact proposal here? Since the liver metabolises alcohol so quickly, and since these studies would follow a cohort over many months, you'd need to test the participants very frequently to catch moderate drinking. I mean, sure, you can administer a breathaliser when they walk into their monthly appointment with the staff who're surveying them, but that's hardly going to detect a glass of wine they had last Saturday.
- Larrikin 3y agoThat pressure isn't present just like it wasn't during prohibition. It's like weed in the 2000s in the US. It's easy to get and people enjoy it. Unlike basically any other drug, you can make it at home very easily. A closer analogy would be like how sex before marriage was treated in "Christian" countries. Something most people did, but was an easy way to attack people by pretending you didn't engage.