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I don't think I ever got one and I've yet to witness a fair promotion process, I'm not even sure those even exist. Most of the time it's the "friends club" whi

I don't think I ever got one and I've yet to witness a fair promotion process, I'm not even sure those even exist. Most of the time it's the "friends club" which gets promoted, either founders old friends or close colleagues recruited after. That makes sense I guess in terms of social relationships but I would rather prefer that they cut the BS and say it openly instead of pretending they have a promotion process. That feels even more insulting having a review on the supposed past performance and knowing it's just theater anyways. My advice here is that if you want to get promoted, just switch companies.

shiroiuma 3y ago
I would re-word this: "My advice here is that if you want more pay, just switch companies". Usually (maybe not as much in the current job environment), you can just change jobs, doing a similar job with a similar title, and get significantly more money, just because the old company only gave you meager cost-of-living raises, and the new company wants to fill a position and will give you the current market rate which is now greater than the old company was paying you. But I wouldn't call this a "promotion". Going from non-manager to manager is a promotion, and going from "junior engineer" to "senior engineer" is one too, but most job changes don't involve such changes in title. And even the junior/senior stuff these days is mostly fluff; you'll just get called "senior" upon being hired in a new place just because you have X years of experience, not because you actually earned that title through some promotion process.
- realusername 3y ago
  I totally agree, and I would also add that some companies are like those North Korean officials with a ridiculous number of medals, everybody is "head of something" and decorated with as many titles as possible. All of that is meaningless.

shiroiuma 3y ago

I would re-word this: "My advice here is that if you want more pay, just switch companies". Usually (maybe not as much in the current job environment), you can just change jobs, doing a similar job with a similar title, and get significantly more money, just because the old company only gave you meager cost-of-living raises, and the new company wants to fill a position and will give you the current market rate which is now greater than the old company was paying you. But I wouldn't call this a "promotion". Going from non-manager to manager is a promotion, and going from "junior engineer" to "senior engineer" is one too, but most job changes don't involve such changes in title. And even the junior/senior stuff these days is mostly fluff; you'll just get called "senior" upon being hired in a new place just because you have X years of experience, not because you actually earned that title through some promotion process.

realusername 3y ago
I totally agree, and I would also add that some companies are like those North Korean officials with a ridiculous number of medals, everybody is "head of something" and decorated with as many titles as possible. All of that is meaningless.