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1. all versions of BSD prior to 4.3 BSD(?) incorporated proprietary AT&T Unix code and were, therefore, subject to an AT&T software license. 2. Google's chief

1. all versions of BSD prior to 4.3 BSD(?) incorporated proprietary AT&T Unix code and were, therefore, subject to an AT&T software license. 2. Google's chief Java architect: it's 'likely' I copied Sun code found in Android, 'I'm sorry' if I did http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2961128/google-chief-java-architect-likely-i-copied-sun-code-in-android http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2961128/google-chief-java-... If Oracle can prove that Google willfully broke Sun/Java copyright and license, Google needs to pay up.

felipeko 14y ago
You do know that he was agreeing to have copied 9 lines from one file, Timsort? And you do know that those 9 lines are just a range check? I mean: private static void rangeCheck(int arrayLen, int fromIndex, int toIndex) { if (fromIndex > toIndex) throw new IllegalArgumentException("fromIndex(" + fromIndex + ") > toIndex(" + toIndex+")"); if (fromIndex < 0) throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(fromIndex); if (toIndex > arrayLen) throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(toIndex); } Literally a rangeCheck. And not only that, 9 lines written by the stealer himself ( http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~martin/webrevs/openjdk7/timsort/raw_files/new/src/share/classes/java/util/TimSort.java http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~martin/webrevs/openjdk7/timsort/... ) and given to Sun/Oracle! Still, i agree with, Sun/Oracle do have the copyrights for that. Google needs to pay up, is ten bucks alright for this?
- Steko 14y ago
  Apparently you're not familiar with what it means to claim you've implemented a "clean room" version of something. Even a few lines of copied code explodes the whole claim.
- jimmyvanhalen 14y ago
  Here's news to you: The Judge plans to inform jury that structure, sequence and organization of Java APIs are copyrightable.
Duff 14y ago
I was trying to avoid a full dissertation into the family tree of Unix -- since 4.3BSD came out in the mid-80s, I think that the point stands that it is possible to legally reproduce a clone of complex software and APIs. What the chief architect did or didn't do isn't relevant to the testimony of Jonathan Schwartz or rebuttal by McNealy. Schwartz's testimony basically said that Sun was most concerned about protecting the Java trademarks and wider ecosystem, and while he wasn't necessarily happy with what Google did, he didn't see it as actionable. (Perhaps he thought that Google & Sun would eventually reconcile?)
- jimmyvanhalen 14y ago
  ..and yet when Oracle's lawyers noted that Schwartz "wasn't talking about Sun's legal position, but rather its business agenda." Schwartz said he was not a lawyer and therefore not an expert in copyright, patents and license agreements. Schwartz also said "I'm there to define our business strategy -- not to write our contracts." Here's the main thing about his testimony: Schwartz "endorsement" is not a license agreement or a permission to break copyright/patent laws. Edit: and if you look at Jonathan's blog post it clearly says in the header "JONATHAN'S BLOG".

felipeko 14y ago

You do know that he was agreeing to have copied 9 lines from one file, Timsort? And you do know that those 9 lines are just a range check? I mean: private static void rangeCheck(int arrayLen, int fromIndex, int toIndex) { if (fromIndex > toIndex) throw new IllegalArgumentException("fromIndex(" + fromIndex + ") > toIndex(" + toIndex+")"); if (fromIndex < 0) throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(fromIndex); if (toIndex > arrayLen) throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(toIndex); } Literally a rangeCheck. And not only that, 9 lines written by the stealer himself ( http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~martin/webrevs/openjdk7/timsort/raw_files/new/src/share/classes/java/util/TimSort.java http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~martin/webrevs/openjdk7/timsort/... ) and given to Sun/Oracle! Still, i agree with, Sun/Oracle do have the copyrights for that. Google needs to pay up, is ten bucks alright for this?

Steko 14y ago
Apparently you're not familiar with what it means to claim you've implemented a "clean room" version of something. Even a few lines of copied code explodes the whole claim.
jimmyvanhalen 14y ago
Here's news to you: The Judge plans to inform jury that structure, sequence and organization of Java APIs are copyrightable.

Duff 14y ago

I was trying to avoid a full dissertation into the family tree of Unix -- since 4.3BSD came out in the mid-80s, I think that the point stands that it is possible to legally reproduce a clone of complex software and APIs. What the chief architect did or didn't do isn't relevant to the testimony of Jonathan Schwartz or rebuttal by McNealy. Schwartz's testimony basically said that Sun was most concerned about protecting the Java trademarks and wider ecosystem, and while he wasn't necessarily happy with what Google did, he didn't see it as actionable. (Perhaps he thought that Google & Sun would eventually reconcile?)

jimmyvanhalen 14y ago
..and yet when Oracle's lawyers noted that Schwartz "wasn't talking about Sun's legal position, but rather its business agenda." Schwartz said he was not a lawyer and therefore not an expert in copyright, patents and license agreements. Schwartz also said "I'm there to define our business strategy -- not to write our contracts." Here's the main thing about his testimony: Schwartz "endorsement" is not a license agreement or a permission to break copyright/patent laws. Edit: and if you look at Jonathan's blog post it clearly says in the header "JONATHAN'S BLOG".