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The thing is... Those two people on the call, I mean... They are just doing their job as well. Don't understand what is the point to actually argue with them. N

The thing is... Those two people on the call, I mean... They are just doing their job as well. Don't understand what is the point to actually argue with them. Nothing they can do or change. And yes, Brittany is going to be internet famous for a day. But a lot of people going to watch this video and recognize her on the next loop of interviews. Just not the best solution for this situation. It is just sad to see. And I am sorry for anyone who is going through those hard times.

bamboozled 3y ago
They are just doing their job as well. They are, but we could say similar things about cartels, drug smugglers etc.To you they're just criminals, to them, they're trying to survive and just doing their jobs. It doesn't mean it's a noble thing to be doing for a job.
- pizzafeelsright 3y ago
  Noble jobs are rare. Doing any job with honor is absolutely possible. I found the exchange very much "outsourced". The not manager were trying to convey the message. They have no skin except delivering the message in their best manor. They likely were given a script. They didn't make the decisions and were hired to be the buffer for emotions that would naturally develop. I'm thinking the best way is to quick rip the bandaid. "Your position has been eliminated. Your severance is four months. Your check will be direct deposited today"
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    Is there some legal obligation for this to be a call ? It looks like it could have been an email (that they'll have to send anyway)
- outcoldman 3y ago
  I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. To think about it, they got their job the same way we did (say engineers, or in case of the person on the video sales). I am sure some of them also got fired. More than that people who worked in HR went through hell during COVID and hire freeze. So yes, the job of HR is to hire and fire people. And of course doing some human resources things, but in reality protect the company. And please don't compare HR to cartels, cheez. What the actual F? In the current state of everything, I more mad at the software engineers and not at anybody else in this world. The amount of crappy software, services and products available right now is absolutely gigantic, most of us work for corporations that don't value personal lives and privacy and ready to sell your data to anybody. Please don't put yourself above the people who worked in HR. It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. Sure, if she refuses to cure a dying man - that is one thing. But in this case they just let go a few people from the company, not like they throw them under the bus.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    >I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. If people do a job that is shitty to other people — including doing this zombie dance — they are absolutely part of the problem and should be called out for it. >It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. If what the nurse cannot do is normal human decency, then yes, the nurse should be called out on it too and there's every reason to be mad at the person. You are using the “I'm just following orders” defence. It is a poor excuse and not a defence at all.
    - nicksbg 3y ago
      HR in every country attracts people that do not have really qualifications in most cases to even work in HR. Aside from that there is a visible gender discrimination in the sector towards men as well the education discrimination. When these two are combined, they act as gatekeepers, which makes the whole sector worse. Less psychologist and more law and economy graduates was how it was before. For them the communication is the key aspect of their careers, so most of them have it under their thumb. No one really complained about old Personnel Departments and the info was there and they were actually knowledgeable about their job. The education really can make difference sometime. As we can see, these two do not know how to handle situation, and are repeating the speech that most of the people probably already heard, without thinking. Hell, I think that someone could make HR AI that would do the better job.
- camel_Snake 3y ago
  This rational easily applies to sales positions as well, yet were all capable of having empathy with the woman in the video, regardless of the merit of her job.
- op00to 3y ago
  IF you don't understand the difference between a murderous drug cartel and HR, I think you are probably not the right fit for corporate work.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    TBF they're both terminating people. Joking aside, drug smuggling isn't murdering people. It will often be mostly run as a very bland and boring transportation business, the same way people go back and forth across countries to go buy locally produced artisanal accessories to sell to select shops. Funnily enough the first thing that came to my mind for "cartel" was bog standard market collusion among dominant players.
c0nducktr 3y ago
Many horrible people are 'just doing their jobs'. Think about it a little longer before justifying a persons actions, or assuming they're above repute.

bamboozled 3y ago

They are just doing their job as well. They are, but we could say similar things about cartels, drug smugglers etc.To you they're just criminals, to them, they're trying to survive and just doing their jobs. It doesn't mean it's a noble thing to be doing for a job.

pizzafeelsright 3y ago
Noble jobs are rare. Doing any job with honor is absolutely possible. I found the exchange very much "outsourced". The not manager were trying to convey the message. They have no skin except delivering the message in their best manor. They likely were given a script. They didn't make the decisions and were hired to be the buffer for emotions that would naturally develop. I'm thinking the best way is to quick rip the bandaid. "Your position has been eliminated. Your severance is four months. Your check will be direct deposited today"
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  Is there some legal obligation for this to be a call ? It looks like it could have been an email (that they'll have to send anyway)
outcoldman 3y ago
I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. To think about it, they got their job the same way we did (say engineers, or in case of the person on the video sales). I am sure some of them also got fired. More than that people who worked in HR went through hell during COVID and hire freeze. So yes, the job of HR is to hire and fire people. And of course doing some human resources things, but in reality protect the company. And please don't compare HR to cartels, cheez. What the actual F? In the current state of everything, I more mad at the software engineers and not at anybody else in this world. The amount of crappy software, services and products available right now is absolutely gigantic, most of us work for corporations that don't value personal lives and privacy and ready to sell your data to anybody. Please don't put yourself above the people who worked in HR. It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. Sure, if she refuses to cure a dying man - that is one thing. But in this case they just let go a few people from the company, not like they throw them under the bus.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  >I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. If people do a job that is shitty to other people — including doing this zombie dance — they are absolutely part of the problem and should be called out for it. >It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. If what the nurse cannot do is normal human decency, then yes, the nurse should be called out on it too and there's every reason to be mad at the person. You are using the “I'm just following orders” defence. It is a poor excuse and not a defence at all.
  - nicksbg 3y ago
    HR in every country attracts people that do not have really qualifications in most cases to even work in HR. Aside from that there is a visible gender discrimination in the sector towards men as well the education discrimination. When these two are combined, they act as gatekeepers, which makes the whole sector worse. Less psychologist and more law and economy graduates was how it was before. For them the communication is the key aspect of their careers, so most of them have it under their thumb. No one really complained about old Personnel Departments and the info was there and they were actually knowledgeable about their job. The education really can make difference sometime. As we can see, these two do not know how to handle situation, and are repeating the speech that most of the people probably already heard, without thinking. Hell, I think that someone could make HR AI that would do the better job.
camel_Snake 3y ago
This rational easily applies to sales positions as well, yet were all capable of having empathy with the woman in the video, regardless of the merit of her job.
op00to 3y ago
IF you don't understand the difference between a murderous drug cartel and HR, I think you are probably not the right fit for corporate work.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  TBF they're both terminating people. Joking aside, drug smuggling isn't murdering people. It will often be mostly run as a very bland and boring transportation business, the same way people go back and forth across countries to go buy locally produced artisanal accessories to sell to select shops. Funnily enough the first thing that came to my mind for "cartel" was bog standard market collusion among dominant players.

c0nducktr 3y ago

Many horrible people are 'just doing their jobs'. Think about it a little longer before justifying a persons actions, or assuming they're above repute.