Yeah, and both he and Jacobs came off as jerks. Java's value to Sun and whether or not an incompatible version of Java would have affected Sun are irrelevant t

Yeah, and both he and Jacobs came off as jerks. Java's value to Sun and whether or not an incompatible version of Java would have affected Sun are irrelevant to the copyright claim, in any case. Sun's actions were their actions. It's rather common for companies to use trademarks and conformance tests to encourage compatibility without having a copyright leg to stand on. > "I don't recall that was ever a strategy that we pursued nor allowed in the marketplace" is a pretty good testament to that, seeing how Harmony and Classpath certainly did exist, and Sun did not try to shut them down. The only control Sun really had was being completely flakey about the compatibility kits. edit: wrong lawyer's name