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There are a host of laws regarding termination, even in at will states, especially for companies of Cloudflare's size. Giving an invalid reason that is unsuppo

There are a host of laws regarding termination, even in at will states, especially for companies of Cloudflare's size. Giving an invalid reason that is unsupported by facts is generally a strong place for a lawyer to assert "wrongful termination" and invoke those laws.

NicoJuicy 3y ago
That's a false accusation. They gave a reason: performance and the girl mentioned to have 0 sales + 3 opportunities. I wouldn't bet a penny on that lawsuit to win.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Then she should’ve had that communicated to her earlier.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    We don't know specifics. If she's doing all the things she should do ( as she mentions), but lacks technical knowledge for a technical product. Than if she asks feedback, she'll get points for the effort. But concerning technical knowledge, there's not much to do in a short period to get an employee profitable in a lot of cases. Definitely with a product like Cloudflare. And saying you lack basic knowledge, is very hard to do/fix. Because the knowledge is not solely Cloudflare related. It's development, website, networking, ... There's a difficult gray area on what training someone needs for technical things. Even if the employee is motivated. They won't be profitable within a year. Where to start? Where does it end?
- etchalon 3y ago
  They gave a reason. That doesn't mean the facts supported that reason. The employee didn't believe they did. Not closing a deal in your first month of sales is not exactly unheard of or even uncommon. Either way, WT lawsuits don't generally "win or lose". They settle.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    The facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months) There's also a lot of missing context. - what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal - perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation. 4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Getting a new employee up to speed takes 6 months in a lot of cases. But mostly you know it sooner when it wouldn't work out.
    - etchalon 3y ago
      You went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."
      - NicoJuicy 3y ago
        ? You don't need to know everything, to acknowledge that 0 sales supports a bad performance review. Here's additionally info that you didn't knew: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-earnings-review/ https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... - profitability 100 people were fired and replaced, in the hope to get less underperforming sales people. => Facts support this situation and it's consistent to what happened in may last year too. This is a follow up with the people that were layed off for underperforming. To see if they weren't...

NicoJuicy 3y ago

That's a false accusation. They gave a reason: performance and the girl mentioned to have 0 sales + 3 opportunities. I wouldn't bet a penny on that lawsuit to win.

aaomidi 3y ago
Then she should’ve had that communicated to her earlier.
- NicoJuicy 3y ago
  We don't know specifics. If she's doing all the things she should do ( as she mentions), but lacks technical knowledge for a technical product. Than if she asks feedback, she'll get points for the effort. But concerning technical knowledge, there's not much to do in a short period to get an employee profitable in a lot of cases. Definitely with a product like Cloudflare. And saying you lack basic knowledge, is very hard to do/fix. Because the knowledge is not solely Cloudflare related. It's development, website, networking, ... There's a difficult gray area on what training someone needs for technical things. Even if the employee is motivated. They won't be profitable within a year. Where to start? Where does it end?
etchalon 3y ago
They gave a reason. That doesn't mean the facts supported that reason. The employee didn't believe they did. Not closing a deal in your first month of sales is not exactly unheard of or even uncommon. Either way, WT lawsuits don't generally "win or lose". They settle.
- NicoJuicy 3y ago
  The facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months) There's also a lot of missing context. - what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal - perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation. 4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Getting a new employee up to speed takes 6 months in a lot of cases. But mostly you know it sooner when it wouldn't work out.
  - etchalon 3y ago
    You went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."
    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      ? You don't need to know everything, to acknowledge that 0 sales supports a bad performance review. Here's additionally info that you didn't knew: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-earnings-review/ https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... - profitability 100 people were fired and replaced, in the hope to get less underperforming sales people. => Facts support this situation and it's consistent to what happened in may last year too. This is a follow up with the people that were layed off for underperforming. To see if they weren't...