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Super apps or everything apps solve a problem the US doesn't have. It's related to conglomerates... which is a business structure that creates financial efficie
by rgbrenner 3y ago
Super apps or everything apps solve a problem the US doesn't have. It's related to conglomerates... which is a business structure that creates financial efficiencies that in financially unsophisticated economies can overcome the inefficiencies created by a single firm operating in a wide range of unrelated industries.
To rephrase: if it's difficult to barrow money, then a large company (that has money from other ventures) can use that money to create a business that is less efficient than a focused competitor.. but will survive because the focused competitor will have to expend a lot of energy attempting to get adequate capital.
The US used to have conglomerates.. and they died as the capital market developed. But they still exist in other countries, like India with Tata and Reliance.
Super apps solve a similar problem, and Elon is right that payments are the central service of the app. If you look at countries where super apps became popular, payments were the problem being solved. Consumers in those countries have difficult access to credit, credit cards are non-existent, and paying your electric bill may mean going to a physical payment location and waiting in line to pay in cash.
It's a two sided problem: most consumers don't have credit cards (or electronic payment options), and since consumers don't pay with credit cards, businesses often dont accept credit cards. Even the payment networks are underdeveloped and often unreliable (to what extent they exist), and things a company may rely on to extend credit often don't exist: like credit scores or credit reports.
So super apps solve the payment problem on both sides of the market: consumers get access to credit (or the ability to deposit cash at least); and they signup businesses so consumers have a place to spend their money. Consumers like it because it's much easier/faster/efficient, and businesses like it because it increases sales/customers.
The US has the most sophisticated financial market in the world. This isn't a problem the average american has... and that's why even though its been over a decade since WeChat, there isn't a super app in the US. Even the super apps in Europe have poor traction compared to those in India and other markets. The popularity of the concept is directly related to the stage of development of the country's financial markets.
- AndrewDucker 3y agoIn Europe you can just use your normal banking app to transfer money to your friends electronically. The US actually seems to lag behind on that front. I agree that it's totally unnecessary to have an Everything App.
- TMWNN 3y ago>In Europe you can just use your normal banking app to transfer money to your friends electronically. The US actually seems to lag behind on that front. This has nothing to do with the sophistication rgbrenner mentioned. What you describe is small stakes compared to the size, breadth, and depth of US venture capital (and not just for tech). Or the planet-spanning reach and universal service options at JPM or Citi. Or the mind-numbingly complex instruments that their and other bulge-bracket firms' fixed-income desks come up with. Or the gigantic pots and years of experience that Blackstone and Apollo bring to the table. Or the massive intellectual and computing firepower behind the likes of Renaissance, DE Shaw, Jane Street, and Citadel. Or the "Yale Model" of endowment investing.
- AndrewDucker 3y agoI'm not sure what any of that has to do with "You need a special app to send money to your friends, and therefore might use an everything app".
- red-iron-pine 3y agois it? Venmo seems to work just fine
- AndrewDucker 3y agoHaving to use a third-party app that by default shares your information publicly, and is also used to trade on the blockchain seems a bit odd. Over here in the UK I just use my bank's app to send money to people.