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Stop sticking up for this garbage please. Have some empathy? • Third quarter revenue totaled $335.6 million, representing an increase of 32% year-over-year Do

Stop sticking up for this garbage please. Have some empathy? • Third quarter revenue totaled $335.6 million, representing an increase of 32% year-over-year Do we need to feel sorry for cloudflare or something? She says on the call, or her feedback has been positive, so why should she expect a negative outcome like this? As a junior, she should be given the appropriate and valid feedback so she can learn and improve for her future. Not this dystopian, cold bullshit. Do you have any idea what this kind of thing does to a junior employees confidence? Wow. We should never stand for it.

rockemsockem 3y ago
You're kinda talking about fixing shitty human behavior in general and that is really just incredibly hard. Adding a union wouldn't fix that.
- acdha 3y ago
  Adding a union often does because it changes the power dynamics. In this conversation, Cloudflare holds all of the cards and most people will accept their terms because they don’t want to lose healthcare or severance pay, and they probably say things confident that they will not be challenged to back those claims up. A union won’t make the managers setting policies better human beings but it puts them in a context where there’s a party who has more power to push back, and can afford things like lawyers. It also means that they have things like union contracts saying that, for example, you can’t fire someone for performance without proof and warning such as a negative review and time to improve. Simply knowing they’ll have to follow the process is often enough to rein in the worst abuses.
tempuser 3y ago
Revenue is not the same as profits if you are going to bring up that point
romanovcode 3y ago
I mean, not sticking to anything, but if I would hire a sales-person and in 5 months (just before the perm-contract @ 6 months) and they made 0 sales - I would fire that person as well. It's called probation-period for a reason.
JeffAllen 3y ago
Don't look at revenue, look at profits: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NET:NYSE?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimyr_72tmDAxW_STABHQV_B3UQ3ecFegQIWRAf https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NET:NYSE?sa=X&ved=2ahUK... 2022: Lost 193 million 2021: Lost 260 million 2020: Lost 119 million 2023 also had big losses upwards of 150 million It's very clear they need to cut expenses

rockemsockem 3y ago

You're kinda talking about fixing shitty human behavior in general and that is really just incredibly hard. Adding a union wouldn't fix that.

acdha 3y ago
Adding a union often does because it changes the power dynamics. In this conversation, Cloudflare holds all of the cards and most people will accept their terms because they don’t want to lose healthcare or severance pay, and they probably say things confident that they will not be challenged to back those claims up. A union won’t make the managers setting policies better human beings but it puts them in a context where there’s a party who has more power to push back, and can afford things like lawyers. It also means that they have things like union contracts saying that, for example, you can’t fire someone for performance without proof and warning such as a negative review and time to improve. Simply knowing they’ll have to follow the process is often enough to rein in the worst abuses.

tempuser 3y ago

Revenue is not the same as profits if you are going to bring up that point

romanovcode 3y ago

I mean, not sticking to anything, but if I would hire a sales-person and in 5 months (just before the perm-contract @ 6 months) and they made 0 sales - I would fire that person as well. It's called probation-period for a reason.

JeffAllen 3y ago

Don't look at revenue, look at profits: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NET:NYSE?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimyr_72tmDAxW_STABHQV_B3UQ3ecFegQIWRAf https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NET:NYSE?sa=X&ved=2ahUK... 2022: Lost 193 million 2021: Lost 260 million 2020: Lost 119 million 2023 also had big losses upwards of 150 million It's very clear they need to cut expenses