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It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your fac

It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!

jbverschoor 3y ago
Nope it’s not. It’s illegal to record a conversation where no participant is aware of the recording. She is aware, so it’s all fine
- paul7986 3y ago
  lol and Umm have you ever been on a zoom call before ..ones that's being recorded. Before you join you must give your ok that you are going to be recorded. Everyone has to do the same who joins. You probably haven't been on a business zoom call yet!
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Federal law (18 U.S.C. § 2511) requires one-party consent, which means you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. The Federal Wiretap Act This law prohibits the secret recording of an oral, telephonic, or electronic communication that other parties to the communication reasonably expect to be private. However, if at least one party to the conversation consents to the recording, the recording is lawful. Want more slaps? Enjoy your malware rootkit zoom calls which had nothing to do with “the law”
    - paul7986-2 3y ago
      No slaps for learning as I see in this thread we both are and more importantly the correct answer is very nuanced. Unless someone does a deep Legal dive and we have all the facts neither of us can say who's right or wrong. Overall doesn't matter as it's an interesting discussion. As well I live in and do business in two out of the 11 US states where all parties must consent so I was speaking from experience and that Zoom button is official.. Dutchman ;)
- RHSeeger 3y ago
  There's many places where everyone on the call being recorded must consent.
- teeray 3y ago
  That’s in a one-party state. There are many all-party states, where you need to have consent from all parties. Even if the video call is being recorded (very likely), you still need to seek consent for your recording. Of course, IANAL, but I’d be interested if there’s an additional distinction about the purpose of the recording (internal records, public broadcast) and whether the consent would also need to extend to that.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    While I was not aware there are state level laws for this, she appears to be from Georgia. Not sure how this would work with inter-state conversations. Georgia is not on the list: California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
    - teeray 3y ago
      > Not sure how this would work with inter-state conversations. My guess would be either that the state where the call “originated” would control, or the state in play with the most restrictive call recording laws.
      - paul7986-2 3y ago
        So the correct answer isn't so clear but maybe she did break the law (maybe she didn't) if HR called from one of those 11 states. Cloudflare is based in San Fran but per their LinkedIn many employees are spread out. Overall I'm being downvoted for my post which I've learned is wrong. I've also learned the correct answer is very nuanced and those downvoting saying my post is 100 percent incorrect well we just don't know unless someone does a deep legal dive. As well we know where the originating calls came from and we can assume properly she was in Georgia. Again very nuanced but an interesting discussion.
gumballindie 3y ago
Oh I was looking for that bro that will claim ai is to blame and sure enough here it is. You people are obsessed and need to rest a bit.
- paul7986 3y ago
  It's a possibility
  - dr_kiszonka 3y ago
    In sales? Building relationships with clients?
    - paul7986 3y ago
      Umm like i said its possible oh wait it's reality... https://arstechnica.com/google/2024/01/google-lays-off-hundreds-more-as-ad-division-switches-to-ai-powered-sales/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2024/01/google-lays-off-hundr...
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    There is a non zero possibility it was aliens from outer space
nanolith 3y ago
> It's illegal to record others without their consent! That's highly contingent on jurisdiction. I don't know where she's recording this. I'm assuming that she's US-based, and even in the US, the laws vary by state.
- dweekly 3y ago
  Yep. 11 out of the 50 states require all parties who are being recorded to consent. For instance, in California it's not legal to record secretly: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=632 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
  - nanolith 3y ago
    Florida, where I'm based, is also a two party consent state. The specifics of case law get quite thorny. Sometimes, consent is implied. Other times, a simple and vague message like, "for quality assurance, this call may be monitored" is enough. If you live in a two party consent state and hear that message, this is why. Consider yourself informed, and know that everything you say is being recorded for future playback.
bentcorner 3y ago
> It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Depends on the state.
fred_is_fred 3y ago
Only true in some states.
tomschlick 3y ago
That entirely depends on the state. Most are 1 party consent states where as long as 1 person on the call knows its being recorded its legal: https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations/ https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-call...
pacaro 3y ago
With the US the law varies. A minority of states require both/all parties to consent (California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington) the others only need one party to consent. There's no basis for believing that AI took her job beyond scaremongering
arrowsmith 3y ago
According to the Twitter thread where I originally saw this video, she's in Georgia, where what she did is legal. https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1745665652906422573 https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1745665652906422573

It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!

jbverschoor 3y ago

Nope it’s not. It’s illegal to record a conversation where no participant is aware of the recording. She is aware, so it’s all fine

paul7986 3y ago
lol and Umm have you ever been on a zoom call before ..ones that's being recorded. Before you join you must give your ok that you are going to be recorded. Everyone has to do the same who joins. You probably haven't been on a business zoom call yet!
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Federal law (18 U.S.C. § 2511) requires one-party consent, which means you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. The Federal Wiretap Act This law prohibits the secret recording of an oral, telephonic, or electronic communication that other parties to the communication reasonably expect to be private. However, if at least one party to the conversation consents to the recording, the recording is lawful. Want more slaps? Enjoy your malware rootkit zoom calls which had nothing to do with “the law”
  - paul7986-2 3y ago
    No slaps for learning as I see in this thread we both are and more importantly the correct answer is very nuanced. Unless someone does a deep Legal dive and we have all the facts neither of us can say who's right or wrong. Overall doesn't matter as it's an interesting discussion. As well I live in and do business in two out of the 11 US states where all parties must consent so I was speaking from experience and that Zoom button is official.. Dutchman ;)
RHSeeger 3y ago
There's many places where everyone on the call being recorded must consent.
teeray 3y ago
That’s in a one-party state. There are many all-party states, where you need to have consent from all parties. Even if the video call is being recorded (very likely), you still need to seek consent for your recording. Of course, IANAL, but I’d be interested if there’s an additional distinction about the purpose of the recording (internal records, public broadcast) and whether the consent would also need to extend to that.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  While I was not aware there are state level laws for this, she appears to be from Georgia. Not sure how this would work with inter-state conversations. Georgia is not on the list: California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
  - teeray 3y ago
    > Not sure how this would work with inter-state conversations. My guess would be either that the state where the call “originated” would control, or the state in play with the most restrictive call recording laws.
    - paul7986-2 3y ago
      So the correct answer isn't so clear but maybe she did break the law (maybe she didn't) if HR called from one of those 11 states. Cloudflare is based in San Fran but per their LinkedIn many employees are spread out. Overall I'm being downvoted for my post which I've learned is wrong. I've also learned the correct answer is very nuanced and those downvoting saying my post is 100 percent incorrect well we just don't know unless someone does a deep legal dive. As well we know where the originating calls came from and we can assume properly she was in Georgia. Again very nuanced but an interesting discussion.

gumballindie 3y ago

Oh I was looking for that bro that will claim ai is to blame and sure enough here it is. You people are obsessed and need to rest a bit.

paul7986 3y ago
It's a possibility
- dr_kiszonka 3y ago
  In sales? Building relationships with clients?
  - paul7986 3y ago
    Umm like i said its possible oh wait it's reality... https://arstechnica.com/google/2024/01/google-lays-off-hundreds-more-as-ad-division-switches-to-ai-powered-sales/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2024/01/google-lays-off-hundr...
- gumballindie 3y ago
  There is a non zero possibility it was aliens from outer space

nanolith 3y ago

> It's illegal to record others without their consent! That's highly contingent on jurisdiction. I don't know where she's recording this. I'm assuming that she's US-based, and even in the US, the laws vary by state.

dweekly 3y ago
Yep. 11 out of the 50 states require all parties who are being recorded to consent. For instance, in California it's not legal to record secretly: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=632 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
- nanolith 3y ago
  Florida, where I'm based, is also a two party consent state. The specifics of case law get quite thorny. Sometimes, consent is implied. Other times, a simple and vague message like, "for quality assurance, this call may be monitored" is enough. If you live in a two party consent state and hear that message, this is why. Consider yourself informed, and know that everything you say is being recorded for future playback.

bentcorner 3y ago

> It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Depends on the state.

fred_is_fred 3y ago

Only true in some states.

tomschlick 3y ago

That entirely depends on the state. Most are 1 party consent states where as long as 1 person on the call knows its being recorded its legal: https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations/ https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-call...

pacaro 3y ago

With the US the law varies. A minority of states require both/all parties to consent (California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington) the others only need one party to consent. There's no basis for believing that AI took her job beyond scaremongering

arrowsmith 3y ago

According to the Twitter thread where I originally saw this video, she's in Georgia, where what she did is legal. https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1745665652906422573 https://twitter.com/anothercohen/status/1745665652906422573