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> just pick someone else ... to be the "proxy" of your site, If you have deep enough pockets, sure, just pay anyone ASAP. But as far as I can tell, Codeberg is

> just pick someone else ... to be the "proxy" of your site, If you have deep enough pockets, sure, just pay anyone ASAP. But as far as I can tell, Codeberg is a non-profit entirely dependent on donations and, according to Drew DeVault, paying Cloudflare to protect SourceHut is prohibitively expensive even at his scale, so I doubt Codeberg is in any better position to finance this. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38960189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38960189

rapnie 3y ago
They aren't. Even though many people use Codeberg, only few become members. This is a problem. Passing Join + Donate pages from archive.org. According to their November newsletter: > More than 100.000 projects as of late on Codeberg. Codeberg e.V. has 401 members in total, these are 281 members with active voting rights, 113 supporting members and 7 honorary members. [0] Joining: https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140505/https://join.codeberg.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140505/https://join.code... [1] Donating: https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140512/https://docs.codeberg.org/improving-codeberg/#donate-to-codeberg https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140512/https://docs.code...
- crotchfire 3y ago
  The fact that they only take SEPA for payments is a big part of the problem. Screams "if you aren't European we don't want you here".
  - Aachen 3y ago
    That's what credit-card-required donations feel like to me. I didn't need a credit card except for giving americans money, then I applied for one and it was denied seemingly based on not having a credit score (not good, not bad, just none: privacy is suspicious!). Afaik you can also do wire transfers in other countries but there are some fees involved, so isn't IBAN available to anyone with any bank account if they're okay seeing fees which the payment platform would otherwise hide?
    - crotchfire 3y ago
      No, SEPA/IBAN is Europe-only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#National_check_digits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Num... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area Only European bank accounts can do SEPA transfers.
      - 6510 3y ago
        IBAN is International. https://www.swift.com/resource/iban-registry-pdf https://www.swift.com/resource/iban-registry-pdf
        crotchfire 3y ago
        What's your point? Europe is many nations, not one.
        6510 3y ago
        For example Emirates and Egypt are not in Europe.
        piaste 3y ago
        I think OP's point was that SEPA and IBAN are completely different things. SEPA is the Eurozone area that treats all transfers as domestic - usually free or near-free, and fast (max 1 day normally, max 10 seconds for instant transfer). IBAN is just a numbering scheme to uniquely identify bank accounts worldwide. It has nothing to do with transfers. The closest thing would be SWIFT, though that's just an information protocol and says nothing about fees or times.
        adrianmsmith 3y ago
        Notably US is missing though.
        zilti 3y ago
  - felurx 3y ago
    They do take donations through Liberapay, where you can use credit cards and PayPal. As for membership, they are a German e.V. (Registered club/society? Not sure how this translates in terms of both culture and language.) According to a short internet search, you _can_ collect membership dues via other means as an e.V., but SEPA certainly is the standard. Since you need a bank account for an e.V. anyways and every alternative to simple wire transfers would involve fees and just the hassle of setting them up, integrating them into your existing bookkeeping and maintaining all that, I can understand why they decided not to do that (yet) or maybe didn't even think about it. (I can certainly see where you're coming from, I just wanted to provide some additional insight.)
  - xorcist 3y ago
    I don't think so. It looks like a regular bank payment complete with an IBAN and everything. So you should be able to send from any bank (as long as you're not under US och EU sanctions). They are just using sloppy language. SEPA is just a payment system for cheaper and faster payments. It uses still uses regular bank accounts to send from and to, it can be regarded as backwards compatible with normal bank transfers.

rapnie 3y ago

They aren't. Even though many people use Codeberg, only few become members. This is a problem. Passing Join + Donate pages from archive.org. According to their November newsletter: > More than 100.000 projects as of late on Codeberg. Codeberg e.V. has 401 members in total, these are 281 members with active voting rights, 113 supporting members and 7 honorary members. [0] Joining: https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140505/https://join.codeberg.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140505/https://join.code... [1] Donating: https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140512/https://docs.codeberg.org/improving-codeberg/#donate-to-codeberg https://web.archive.org/web/20240106140512/https://docs.code...

crotchfire 3y ago
The fact that they only take SEPA for payments is a big part of the problem. Screams "if you aren't European we don't want you here".
- Aachen 3y ago
  That's what credit-card-required donations feel like to me. I didn't need a credit card except for giving americans money, then I applied for one and it was denied seemingly based on not having a credit score (not good, not bad, just none: privacy is suspicious!). Afaik you can also do wire transfers in other countries but there are some fees involved, so isn't IBAN available to anyone with any bank account if they're okay seeing fees which the payment platform would otherwise hide?
  - crotchfire 3y ago
    No, SEPA/IBAN is Europe-only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#National_check_digits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Num... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area Only European bank accounts can do SEPA transfers.
    - 6510 3y ago
      IBAN is International. https://www.swift.com/resource/iban-registry-pdf https://www.swift.com/resource/iban-registry-pdf
      - crotchfire 3y ago
        What's your point? Europe is many nations, not one.
        6510 3y ago
        For example Emirates and Egypt are not in Europe.
        piaste 3y ago
        I think OP's point was that SEPA and IBAN are completely different things. SEPA is the Eurozone area that treats all transfers as domestic - usually free or near-free, and fast (max 1 day normally, max 10 seconds for instant transfer). IBAN is just a numbering scheme to uniquely identify bank accounts worldwide. It has nothing to do with transfers. The closest thing would be SWIFT, though that's just an information protocol and says nothing about fees or times.
      - adrianmsmith 3y ago
        Notably US is missing though.
        zilti 3y ago
- felurx 3y ago
  They do take donations through Liberapay, where you can use credit cards and PayPal. As for membership, they are a German e.V. (Registered club/society? Not sure how this translates in terms of both culture and language.) According to a short internet search, you _can_ collect membership dues via other means as an e.V., but SEPA certainly is the standard. Since you need a bank account for an e.V. anyways and every alternative to simple wire transfers would involve fees and just the hassle of setting them up, integrating them into your existing bookkeeping and maintaining all that, I can understand why they decided not to do that (yet) or maybe didn't even think about it. (I can certainly see where you're coming from, I just wanted to provide some additional insight.)
- xorcist 3y ago
  I don't think so. It looks like a regular bank payment complete with an IBAN and everything. So you should be able to send from any bank (as long as you're not under US och EU sanctions). They are just using sloppy language. SEPA is just a payment system for cheaper and faster payments. It uses still uses regular bank accounts to send from and to, it can be regarded as backwards compatible with normal bank transfers.