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This kind of behaviour from HR should be illegal. Be honest and upfront, we're all humans here.

bboygravity 3y ago
It actually would be illegal in most of the EU (at the very least in The Netherlands) AFAIK. This is some "only in the US" level stuff (in the context of "The West").
- 35lerher 3y ago
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- worldsoup 3y ago
  what specifically would be breaking EU/Dutch law here?
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    None, as she was fired in the standard 1-2 month trial period
    - oblio 3y ago
      It's January and she said she was hired in August. How's them math skillz doin'?
      - jbverschoor 3y ago
        I didn’t see/hear that part. I heard December. Maybe she was hired before December but wasn’t active yet You’re right. She starts with that
        CornishPasty 3y ago
        She says that she was doing a 3 month "ramp" - which I can assume is the induction period. She'd only got out of the ramp and started "proper" at the beginning of December, which is what (I think) you heard
    - lmm 3y ago
      According to another comment she'd been there over 4 months, so longer than the maximum legal probation period in the Netherlands.
      - jbverschoor 3y ago
        I only saw the short reddit video, but she states in the call that she started in December, and users the holidays as a reason for her numbers. Misheard/didn’t pay enough attention. It’s about 4 months indeed
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  - fernandotakai 3y ago
    firing someone without trying to improve their performance. you need to first warn the employee, and try to improve their performance. you can check reasoning for dismissal here https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/staff/dismissing-staff/grounds-for-dismissal/#art:what-grounds-of-dismissal-are-permitted https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/staff/dismissi...
- PaywallBuster 3y ago
  Netherlands you could have 3 month probation (I think??) or most companies may start employees on fixed-term employment contracts (6/8/12 months) before becoming permanent which is very common (Netherlands had a rule where you could have 3 fixed term contracts, up to 24 months total, before becoming a permanent employee) so they could've hired her on a 6 months contract and simply not renew it :)
  - fernandotakai 3y ago
    yup. i was hired on a 1y contract, and because i did a good job, got a permanent one after 9 months (which is quite common where i work). also, you can't be just fired for performance reasons right away -- you need to first do a documented improvement plan and you need to at least try to move the employee to a different part of the company. if she was in the netherlands, she could easily sue CF for wrongful dismissal.
- romanovcode 3y ago
  Don't know about Netherlands but in most EU probation period is fixed 6 months. This situation would be perfectly legal in most EU companies.
  - Petrosz007 3y ago
    In Hungary it's 3 months
swlkr 3y ago
We are humans but to HR, we're human resources.

It actually would be illegal in most of the EU (at the very least in The Netherlands) AFAIK. This is some "only in the US" level stuff (in the context of "The West").

35lerher 3y ago
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worldsoup 3y ago
what specifically would be breaking EU/Dutch law here?
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  None, as she was fired in the standard 1-2 month trial period
  - oblio 3y ago
    It's January and she said she was hired in August. How's them math skillz doin'?
    - jbverschoor 3y ago
      I didn’t see/hear that part. I heard December. Maybe she was hired before December but wasn’t active yet You’re right. She starts with that
      - CornishPasty 3y ago
        She says that she was doing a 3 month "ramp" - which I can assume is the induction period. She'd only got out of the ramp and started "proper" at the beginning of December, which is what (I think) you heard
  - lmm 3y ago
    According to another comment she'd been there over 4 months, so longer than the maximum legal probation period in the Netherlands.
    - jbverschoor 3y ago
      I only saw the short reddit video, but she states in the call that she started in December, and users the holidays as a reason for her numbers. Misheard/didn’t pay enough attention. It’s about 4 months indeed
  - deleted 3y ago
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- fernandotakai 3y ago
  firing someone without trying to improve their performance. you need to first warn the employee, and try to improve their performance. you can check reasoning for dismissal here https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/staff/dismissing-staff/grounds-for-dismissal/#art:what-grounds-of-dismissal-are-permitted https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/staff/dismissi...
PaywallBuster 3y ago
Netherlands you could have 3 month probation (I think??) or most companies may start employees on fixed-term employment contracts (6/8/12 months) before becoming permanent which is very common (Netherlands had a rule where you could have 3 fixed term contracts, up to 24 months total, before becoming a permanent employee) so they could've hired her on a 6 months contract and simply not renew it :)
- fernandotakai 3y ago
  yup. i was hired on a 1y contract, and because i did a good job, got a permanent one after 9 months (which is quite common where i work). also, you can't be just fired for performance reasons right away -- you need to first do a documented improvement plan and you need to at least try to move the employee to a different part of the company. if she was in the netherlands, she could easily sue CF for wrongful dismissal.
romanovcode 3y ago
Don't know about Netherlands but in most EU probation period is fixed 6 months. This situation would be perfectly legal in most EU companies.
- Petrosz007 3y ago
  In Hungary it's 3 months

swlkr 3y ago

We are humans but to HR, we're human resources.