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Ring of galaxies challenges thinking on cosmos

34 points by chkhd 3y ago

neom 3y ago
For those interested in learning more about the Cosmological Principle PSB Spacetime- Where Is The Center of The Universe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLHtIWLkHg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLHtIWLkHg Giant Arc 3.3 Billion Light Years Long That Shouldn't Really Exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1ULGmPe6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1ULGmPe6s The Case Against the Cosmological Principle (and/or FLRW) - Jenny Wagner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASUsWQyemc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASUsWQyemc SciShow- What If the Universe Isn't Uniform? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGVW4BaA0qA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGVW4BaA0qA
defrost 3y ago
And Is the Observable Universe Consistent with the Cosmological Principle? - Classical and Quantum Gravity 40(9) (April 2023) https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/acbefc https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/acbefc
sema4hacker 3y ago
I don't understand. Since the entire universe might be huge compared to the observable universe, is this structure really that unlikely?
- yzydserd 3y ago
  In another article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs-that-may-dwarf-everything-in-the-cosmos https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs... “According to Lopez's article, it is extremely unlikely (a probability of just 0.0003 per cent) that such a large structurei could have arisen by chance.” The particles to make up the structure had to come from somewhere, and the best models of gravitational movement would say that such a structure would have taken too long to form. The arc is 1/15th the radius of the known universe. Such a structure isn’t ruled out by the cosmological constant. It’s highly unlikely. The distinction here is “unlikely to form anywhere” versus “unlikely for us to be situated in a position we could see such an unusual formation”.
yzydserd 3y ago
The bbc has a better article in their science section at https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs-that-may-dwarf-everything-in-the-cosmos https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs... dated March 2023. Today’s article is triggered by a presentation of results but contains less information.
- squigz 3y ago
  That's now dated January 12, 2024 and was edited to include this latest news and a link to the new article.
jl6 3y ago
How do we measure the distance to those galaxies to be sure that it’s really a ring, rather than something that looks like a ring from our perspective? I know that supernovas provide one technique for distance measurement, but it feels unlikely that we’ve done that for every galaxy in this structure?
- drtgh 3y ago
  All the illustrations we see about galaxies are post-processed interpretations, they are not exactly photos per se. In this case, I think astronomers may be using the data sent by the Voyagers[1] as a ground truth for trying to interpolate the scanned one from distant galaxies. It is not my field, but perhaps another probe should have been launched on a different axis as you indirectly suggest, although it should have been done at the same time. I'd bet someone at NASA thought on it and the budget stopped it. [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-probes-show-outsiders-view-of-milky-way/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-p...
  - isthatafact 3y ago
    Other galaxies are too far away for us to have any way to view them from a significantly different angle -- the solar system is tiny compared to the size of galaxies and the distance between them. How does the voyager article relate to this study? It looks like voyager just got far enough away from the sun to detect something in our galaxy that was hard to see from earth due to being drowned out by the sun, and the rest is hidden by a paywall.
    - drtgh 3y ago
      Apologies, I didn't thought in the scale. Certainly it is zero related to this study. I read the article that I linked thinking the Voyagers reached a distance far enough to use it as a stereoscopy through two sources, Earth and Voyager, with the Voyager's collected data. And therefore I thought that's what astronomers in general was using as reference to analyze galaxies (in the last decade). After read again such article I keep thinking about how did I reached this process. Apologies again to everyone. PS: I didn't noticed it was behind a paywall, maybe by this Archive capture, http://web.archive.org/web/20151203203335/https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-probes-show-outsiders-view-of-milky-way/ http://web.archive.org/web/20151203203335/https://www.newsci...
slowmovintarget 3y ago
The Xeelee have begun construction of the Ring.

34 points by chkhd 3y ago

neom 3y ago

For those interested in learning more about the Cosmological Principle PSB Spacetime- Where Is The Center of The Universe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLHtIWLkHg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOLHtIWLkHg Giant Arc 3.3 Billion Light Years Long That Shouldn't Really Exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1ULGmPe6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1ULGmPe6s The Case Against the Cosmological Principle (and/or FLRW) - Jenny Wagner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASUsWQyemc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASUsWQyemc SciShow- What If the Universe Isn't Uniform? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGVW4BaA0qA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGVW4BaA0qA

defrost 3y ago

And Is the Observable Universe Consistent with the Cosmological Principle? - Classical and Quantum Gravity 40(9) (April 2023) https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/acbefc https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/acbefc

sema4hacker 3y ago

I don't understand. Since the entire universe might be huge compared to the observable universe, is this structure really that unlikely?

yzydserd 3y ago
In another article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs-that-may-dwarf-everything-in-the-cosmos https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs... “According to Lopez's article, it is extremely unlikely (a probability of just 0.0003 per cent) that such a large structurei could have arisen by chance.” The particles to make up the structure had to come from somewhere, and the best models of gravitational movement would say that such a structure would have taken too long to form. The arc is 1/15th the radius of the known universe. Such a structure isn’t ruled out by the cosmological constant. It’s highly unlikely. The distinction here is “unlikely to form anywhere” versus “unlikely for us to be situated in a position we could see such an unusual formation”.

yzydserd 3y ago

The bbc has a better article in their science section at https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs-that-may-dwarf-everything-in-the-cosmos https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20230302-the-giant-arcs... dated March 2023. Today’s article is triggered by a presentation of results but contains less information.

squigz 3y ago
That's now dated January 12, 2024 and was edited to include this latest news and a link to the new article.

jl6 3y ago

How do we measure the distance to those galaxies to be sure that it’s really a ring, rather than something that looks like a ring from our perspective? I know that supernovas provide one technique for distance measurement, but it feels unlikely that we’ve done that for every galaxy in this structure?

drtgh 3y ago
All the illustrations we see about galaxies are post-processed interpretations, they are not exactly photos per se. In this case, I think astronomers may be using the data sent by the Voyagers[1] as a ground truth for trying to interpolate the scanned one from distant galaxies. It is not my field, but perhaps another probe should have been launched on a different axis as you indirectly suggest, although it should have been done at the same time. I'd bet someone at NASA thought on it and the budget stopped it. [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-probes-show-outsiders-view-of-milky-way/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-p...
- isthatafact 3y ago
  Other galaxies are too far away for us to have any way to view them from a significantly different angle -- the solar system is tiny compared to the size of galaxies and the distance between them. How does the voyager article relate to this study? It looks like voyager just got far enough away from the sun to detect something in our galaxy that was hard to see from earth due to being drowned out by the sun, and the rest is hidden by a paywall.
  - drtgh 3y ago
    Apologies, I didn't thought in the scale. Certainly it is zero related to this study. I read the article that I linked thinking the Voyagers reached a distance far enough to use it as a stereoscopy through two sources, Earth and Voyager, with the Voyager's collected data. And therefore I thought that's what astronomers in general was using as reference to analyze galaxies (in the last decade). After read again such article I keep thinking about how did I reached this process. Apologies again to everyone. PS: I didn't noticed it was behind a paywall, maybe by this Archive capture, http://web.archive.org/web/20151203203335/https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21233-voyager-space-probes-show-outsiders-view-of-milky-way/ http://web.archive.org/web/20151203203335/https://www.newsci...

slowmovintarget 3y ago

The Xeelee have begun construction of the Ring.