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You’re not entitled to a job. It’s a fair market. I for one would not want this kind of environment. Healthcare is a different story.
by whalesalad 3y ago
You’re not entitled to a job. It’s a fair market. I for one would not want this kind of environment.
Healthcare is a different story.
- candiddevmike 3y ago[flagged]
- whalesalad 3y ago[flagged]
- Stratoscope 3y agoIf we all stop reproducing, that will indeed be the Final Solution to the Human Question.
- itsoktocry 3y ago>We need to stop reproducing tbh. I love my family, thanks. You do what you want.
- paulcole 3y agoGiven the state of the world not reproducing is providing value. I think we should pay people to not do a lot of things. Like say every year you don’t have a kid or don’t get on an airplane you get a bonus from the government.
- akira2501 3y agoI didn't ask to be born therefore I have no duties to you or to anyone other than myself. You accepted no duty to ensure my life was protected from harm or that it's circumstances were fair. You can talk sensibly about global reproductive control once you've ensured that everyone's life is fair and just. Humans are animals. We individually self regulate or we would die. We collectively don't which is why we were able to make things like the internet. Other species that operate under collective terms don't either. They don't seek equilibrium, they are simply hapless victims to it.
- whalesalad 3y agoAnimals eat each other. They feed other animals. They spread seeds to propagate plant life. Their decomposing bodies fertilize the earth. There is an ecosystem that exists. Humans don’t have any predators. We’ve created a society where everyone feels entitled to exist. Animals don’t feel entitled to exist. They fight daily to survive. We fight daily to play the game that us humans created. It’s not real, it’s all fabricated: 401k’s, board member seats, search engine optimization, globalization, offshore manufacturing, advertising revenue, taxes, traffic lights, the NFL, American idol, TikTok dances, Prada clothing, Stanley cups, business casual, country clubs. We have created the mess we are in. And there is too much momentum/inertia to shift course. We (as a society) will keep running on this treadmill until we collapse from exhaustion and hubris.
- xpe 3y ago> Animals eat each other. They feed other animals. They spread seeds to propagate plant life. Their decomposing bodies fertilize the earth. There is an ecosystem that exists. Humans don’t have any predators. We’ve created a society where everyone feels entitled to exist. Animals don’t feel entitled to exist. They fight daily to survive. We fight daily to play the game that us humans created. It’s not real, it’s all fabricated... This is moral confusion. Nature does not set the ethical standards to which we aspire. See the naturalistic fallacy.
- whalesalad 3y agoThese things you mention are honestly more examples of fabricated concepts. Are you a religious person by chance?
- cortesoft 3y agoThey self-regulate? That is bullshit, the environment regulates them.
- whalesalad 3y agoCorrect. The animal kingdom as a whole self regulates. We are effectively playing god every day and circumventing the natural processes of the world.
- xpe 3y ago> The animal kingdom operates differently than humanity. But probably not out of consciousness nor choice. When you study ecosystems, boom and bust cycles are quite common. Visions of "harmonious" nature are greatly exaggerated -- and BTW will get you a tongue-lashing from Werner Herzog. When you do see an ecosystem in relative harmony, just wait a while :P Even when it seems "calm", I would not tend to attribute that dynamic to "good actors" in any anthropomorphic sense -- as in various species consciously moderating their actions. Evolving species can face rather brutal environments. Eeeking out an existence seems to have nothing to do with long-term plans. (Aside: this is not to say there is no cooperation between species!) Now, I'll try to state perhaps a variation of what the above comment might have meant (I'm not sure)... growing too quickly and overcommitting resources is a risky endeavor. Relentless optimization over short time frames can little to brittleness and hurt long-term adaptation. Last thing: I've studied enough mathematics and optimization to know that it is probably non-obvious -- if not altogether impossible -- to figure out the "optimal" time horizon. Optimization is only solvable if one assumes a particular formulation of a time horizon (or probabilistic blend of time horizons).
- xpe 3y ago> I believe it’s your duty on the earth to provide value in some way. I agree to some degree in an ethical sense, but not absolutely. Some have more ability and opportunity to contribute than others. And, the devil is in the details. Additional, I am not necessarily willing to extend such views of one's _ethical_ duty in such a way to _operationalize_ them as a political philosophy or to state them as _normative_ on the economic level. When I hear simplified statements along the lines of "if person X (or category of people Y) can't pull their weight, they'll get what they deserve" I don't hear anything resembling ethical insight nor wisdom; I mostly hear the fearful rationalizations of short-term thinking.
- akira2501 3y agoRight past self employment and small business to fully on the dole? This country has a labor problem because it has a monopolization epidemic. It's what no court or advocate seems to consider when it endorses these mega mergers strictly for the impacts it has on one market, the products, and entirely ignores impacts on the other, which is labor.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoYou don’t need everyone, just a majority. There is no value in arguing with people who think this is sustainable.
- davexunit 3y ago[flagged]