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Good for them. Either keep religion out of schools, or learn to accept that there's a wide variety of beliefs and that might mean some religions you don't feel

by jzb 3y ago

Good for them. Either keep religion out of schools, or learn to accept that there's a wide variety of beliefs and that might mean some religions you don't feel comfortable with also holding events.

akira2501 3y ago
Without any context, and this article spares no time for that, it's hard to know if that's their actual position. According to Wikipedia the organization was started in protest to George Bush's faith based initiatives and was designed to get federal dollars while intentionally being repugnant. Which, is not the type of organization that puts it's obligation to after school activities at the top of it's list, and I'm not sure it's beneficial for anyone other than like minded ideologues who would rather engage in intentionally pugnacious protests rather than in any remedial civil actions. Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting? Are students being forced to participate in any way? So, why then involve the students in your federal funding protest? The whole thing seems gaudy and desperate for attention.
- ziddoap 3y ago
  If you are truly curious about what their position is, you can read [1]. That page answers most of your questions. Click on "What do we believe". >while intentionally being repugnant Are you sure you looked at the Wiki for The Satanic Temple, and not some other Satanic organization? >Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting? Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions. They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and in favor of reproductive rights, among other things. [1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > Cofounders Lucien Greaves and Malcolm Jarry met in 2012,[6][12] and The Satanic Temple was active by January 2013.[29] In an interview with The New York Times, Malcolm Jarry stated that the idea of starting a Satanic faith-based organization was first conceived to meet "all the Bush administration's criteria for receiving funds, but was repugnant to them". Quite literally, the first paragraph of their "History" section on wikipedia. > Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions. That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact? I looked, but couldn't find any direct connection between a State action and this response. > They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and reproductive rights, among other things. So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs, which was the thrust of my point, are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this?
    - ziddoap 3y ago
      I may have misunderstood your original comment. The way I read it, you were saying that The Satanic Temple is being intentionally repugnant -- which it isn't and the part you quoted doesn't say that either. Either way, I'm still not sure why you wouldn't want to read about their beliefs from them rather than second-hand from Wikipedia. >That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact? You can read their legal proceedings at [1]. Advocacy at [2]. From [3] there is "It was created as an alternative to Christian-based after-school groups, specifically at schools that host the Evangelical Good News Club. The program neither teaches about Satanism nor attempts to convert club-goers; they instead teach about rationalism and understanding the world around us". From [4], "The Satanic Temple has said it would prefer to exclude religious teachings altogether from school sites, but feels compelled to establish after-school programs to provide an alternative to Christian teachings." [5] is an example of them being rejected from The Los Angeles Unified School District despite the district having a Christian religious club. >So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs As seen above, and elsewhere, they start after-school programs in schools which have Christian after-school programs, not simply wherever they can. The purpose of the clubs, where they exist, is to promote and teach rationalism. >are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this? Considering they are basically a rational thinking club, I believe that children are legitimately being served by the existence of the club where it exists as an alternative to Christian clubs. [1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/legal-action https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/legal-action [2] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/advocacy-archives https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/advocacy-archives [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan [4] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-school-satan-satanic-temple-portland-approved/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-school-satan-satanic-temp... [5] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20160928-snap-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20...
- Volundr 3y ago
  > According to Wikipedia the organization was started in protest to George Bush's faith based initiatives and was designed to get federal dollars while intentionally being repugnant. Really? I can't find that in the Wikipedia page [1]. Perhaps you would share exactly which part says that? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan
  - akira2501 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

by jzb 3y ago

Good for them. Either keep religion out of schools, or learn to accept that there's a wide variety of beliefs and that might mean some religions you don't feel comfortable with also holding events.

akira2501 3y ago

Without any context, and this article spares no time for that, it's hard to know if that's their actual position. According to Wikipedia the organization was started in protest to George Bush's faith based initiatives and was designed to get federal dollars while intentionally being repugnant. Which, is not the type of organization that puts it's obligation to after school activities at the top of it's list, and I'm not sure it's beneficial for anyone other than like minded ideologues who would rather engage in intentionally pugnacious protests rather than in any remedial civil actions. Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting? Are students being forced to participate in any way? So, why then involve the students in your federal funding protest? The whole thing seems gaudy and desperate for attention.

ziddoap 3y ago
If you are truly curious about what their position is, you can read [1]. That page answers most of your questions. Click on "What do we believe". >while intentionally being repugnant Are you sure you looked at the Wiki for The Satanic Temple, and not some other Satanic organization? >Finally, what action are they protesting exactly? That a public building is being used by religions organizations in an after school setting? Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions. They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and in favor of reproductive rights, among other things. [1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
- akira2501 3y ago
  > Cofounders Lucien Greaves and Malcolm Jarry met in 2012,[6][12] and The Satanic Temple was active by January 2013.[29] In an interview with The New York Times, Malcolm Jarry stated that the idea of starting a Satanic faith-based organization was first conceived to meet "all the Bush administration's criteria for receiving funds, but was repugnant to them". Quite literally, the first paragraph of their "History" section on wikipedia. > Almost, but not quite. In this case, it is the fact that only certain religions were/are being allowed in a public building but not other religions. That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact? I looked, but couldn't find any direct connection between a State action and this response. > They also protest and litigate against corporal punishment for children and reproductive rights, among other things. So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs, which was the thrust of my point, are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this?
  - ziddoap 3y ago
    I may have misunderstood your original comment. The way I read it, you were saying that The Satanic Temple is being intentionally repugnant -- which it isn't and the part you quoted doesn't say that either. Either way, I'm still not sure why you wouldn't want to read about their beliefs from them rather than second-hand from Wikipedia. >That's the article I'd rather read. Do you happen to know of one that highlights this fact? You can read their legal proceedings at [1]. Advocacy at [2]. From [3] there is "It was created as an alternative to Christian-based after-school groups, specifically at schools that host the Evangelical Good News Club. The program neither teaches about Satanism nor attempts to convert club-goers; they instead teach about rationalism and understanding the world around us". From [4], "The Satanic Temple has said it would prefer to exclude religious teachings altogether from school sites, but feels compelled to establish after-school programs to provide an alternative to Christian teachings." [5] is an example of them being rejected from The Los Angeles Unified School District despite the district having a Christian religious club. >So do a lot of organizations that aren't trying to start after school programs As seen above, and elsewhere, they start after-school programs in schools which have Christian after-school programs, not simply wherever they can. The purpose of the clubs, where they exist, is to promote and teach rationalism. >are the children legitimately being served by this or being used by this? Considering they are basically a rational thinking club, I believe that children are legitimately being served by the existence of the club where it exists as an alternative to Christian clubs. [1] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/legal-action https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/legal-action [2] https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/advocacy-archives https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/advocacy-archives [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan [4] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-school-satan-satanic-temple-portland-approved/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-school-satan-satanic-temp... [5] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20160928-snap-story.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-satanic-after-school-20...
Volundr 3y ago
> According to Wikipedia the organization was started in protest to George Bush's faith based initiatives and was designed to get federal dollars while intentionally being repugnant. Really? I can't find that in the Wikipedia page [1]. Perhaps you would share exactly which part says that? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_School_Satan
- akira2501 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple