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And they will pay them leadership salaries which enables them to afford privatized daycare

ChainOfFools 3y ago
either you've never had kids, or you had the incrediblly good fortune to have found them a daycare that required little or no departure from your normal work commute. Or you had a stay-at-home nanny or similar arrangement, which I would put up there in the incredibly good fortune category.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  My daycare was 20 minutes off-route which increased to 45 minutes off-route when we moved. However I was a senior leader that was paid the salary to lead high stakes projects. YMMV
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    So you spent a total of 90 minutes extra each day going to/from daycare. It sounds like the daycare should've been closer. At your pay rate, how much money was that time worth monthly?
    - ChainOfFools 3y ago
      I didn't understand the point of OP's own goal either. seems pretty unlikely that someone who lived that experience as described would not notice the obviously bad tradeoff they are making, and that this would hardly be something to be (apparently) proud of. But he got a chance to portray himself as a Senior Somebody making Important Decisions, so there's that. All the people I know, whose circumstances I don't share except by second-order family relations, and who are indeed well paid senior engineers, actually do have live-in nannies or au pairs. Which is why I mentioned that possibility.
      - grepfru_it 3y ago
        >I didn’t understand the point of OP’s own goal >circumstances I don’t share You got my viewpoint and I can clarify if you would like. My goal was to ensure the best upraising of my child. This includes social interaction, so a nanny was a nonstarter. So the 20 minute commute was considered an acceptable trade off (just as others may consider the lack of social interaction in selecting a nanny). When we purchased a new home we factored in the additional 50 minute loss in time and once again put our childrens consideration over our own. When you are in a leadership position and have to consider the real fact of working over 40 hours a week, those benefits or lack thereof become a factor you (and thus the company) must consider. I hope this helps you understand, especially one day in the future when you are in this position!
        ChainOfFools 3y ago
        I don't share their circumstances because they're in finance whereas I'm the owner of a consulting business specializing in the facilitation of remote work for other companies (including some of theirs). So although my calendar is marked busy for months out I'm pretty free to determine what 'busy' means, and can spend time with my kids under terms I thus see fit. Still, daycare is indeed important for social development, commuting is not, and dead time in the car is a waste of both time and money. On that note, per the other comment, the family I'm referring to all live in midtown manhattan where nannies and au pairs are the norm, and socialization amongst such families comes with the ecosystem. I assume people who have nannies in other built-up regions operate the same way, but maybe your mileage does vary.
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    - grepfru_it 3y ago
      Sounds like I should have been closer, but sometimes you don’t find a learning program that is close by. Turns out the high school we should put our daughter in will be an hour long commute. This decision is not purely monetary and does not involve the company I work(ed) for. There will be a time in everyone’s career when they must make a decision that will remove them from their personal time and is not the fault of the company. Sure losing daycare benefit is a fault. Deciding to put your child in a lesser program because it won’t impact your commute has nothing to do with your job and entirely everything to do with you being a parent.. In my case I will pay to ensure the best upbringing for my children. And this means financially (paying for the best education) and temporally (waiting in traffic to pick them up from said learning institute).
gambiting 3y ago
You know this saying that all money in the world is worth less than your own time? On-prem daycare gives you more of your time back(and ultimately - more time with your kids). Being paid even some crazy salary does not make up for the fact that with almost any other childcare option you have to walk/drive the kids there before work and then pick them up later. It's not a matter of affording daycare is my point.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  It's a bigger issue in the South Bay because these tech offices are in huge office-only zones that take a long time to get in or out of. Back when I worked there, I was so glad lunch was on-prem for the same reason, and would've been glad even if I had to pay for it. Kinda creepy how they're like company towns, though.
jonathankoren 3y ago
Daycare is literally the monthly cost of a two bedroom apartment.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  My daycare cost $1300 at 6 months and $800 at 4 years. A two bedroom apartment around here starts at $2200 (less if you live in different parts of town, but the daycare costs go down accordingly). In our story, we were not able to get into the "elite" daycare that all the who's who of my city went to. That daycare cost $1500 - $1100 respectively. We ended up going to our daycare out of necessity which just turned out to be a really really good daycare, so we got lucky. But the point is the extra $2200/mo, as you noted, was part of my salary
  - eigen 3y ago
    currently on penninsula it is significantly more expensive than that. Foster City Odyssey Preschool for toddlers is $2100 for school day, plus $500 extended day until 6pm. https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions Pennisula Jewish is $3125 for toddlers until 5:30pm https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-Rate-Sheet-2023-24-rev-June-23.pdf https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-R...

either you've never had kids, or you had the incrediblly good fortune to have found them a daycare that required little or no departure from your normal work commute. Or you had a stay-at-home nanny or similar arrangement, which I would put up there in the incredibly good fortune category.

grepfru_it 3y ago
My daycare was 20 minutes off-route which increased to 45 minutes off-route when we moved. However I was a senior leader that was paid the salary to lead high stakes projects. YMMV
- hot_gril 3y ago
  So you spent a total of 90 minutes extra each day going to/from daycare. It sounds like the daycare should've been closer. At your pay rate, how much money was that time worth monthly?
  - ChainOfFools 3y ago
    I didn't understand the point of OP's own goal either. seems pretty unlikely that someone who lived that experience as described would not notice the obviously bad tradeoff they are making, and that this would hardly be something to be (apparently) proud of. But he got a chance to portray himself as a Senior Somebody making Important Decisions, so there's that. All the people I know, whose circumstances I don't share except by second-order family relations, and who are indeed well paid senior engineers, actually do have live-in nannies or au pairs. Which is why I mentioned that possibility.
    - grepfru_it 3y ago
      >I didn’t understand the point of OP’s own goal >circumstances I don’t share You got my viewpoint and I can clarify if you would like. My goal was to ensure the best upraising of my child. This includes social interaction, so a nanny was a nonstarter. So the 20 minute commute was considered an acceptable trade off (just as others may consider the lack of social interaction in selecting a nanny). When we purchased a new home we factored in the additional 50 minute loss in time and once again put our childrens consideration over our own. When you are in a leadership position and have to consider the real fact of working over 40 hours a week, those benefits or lack thereof become a factor you (and thus the company) must consider. I hope this helps you understand, especially one day in the future when you are in this position!
      - ChainOfFools 3y ago
        I don't share their circumstances because they're in finance whereas I'm the owner of a consulting business specializing in the facilitation of remote work for other companies (including some of theirs). So although my calendar is marked busy for months out I'm pretty free to determine what 'busy' means, and can spend time with my kids under terms I thus see fit. Still, daycare is indeed important for social development, commuting is not, and dead time in the car is a waste of both time and money. On that note, per the other comment, the family I'm referring to all live in midtown manhattan where nannies and au pairs are the norm, and socialization amongst such families comes with the ecosystem. I assume people who have nannies in other built-up regions operate the same way, but maybe your mileage does vary.
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  - grepfru_it 3y ago
    Sounds like I should have been closer, but sometimes you don’t find a learning program that is close by. Turns out the high school we should put our daughter in will be an hour long commute. This decision is not purely monetary and does not involve the company I work(ed) for. There will be a time in everyone’s career when they must make a decision that will remove them from their personal time and is not the fault of the company. Sure losing daycare benefit is a fault. Deciding to put your child in a lesser program because it won’t impact your commute has nothing to do with your job and entirely everything to do with you being a parent.. In my case I will pay to ensure the best upbringing for my children. And this means financially (paying for the best education) and temporally (waiting in traffic to pick them up from said learning institute).

gambiting 3y ago

You know this saying that all money in the world is worth less than your own time? On-prem daycare gives you more of your time back(and ultimately - more time with your kids). Being paid even some crazy salary does not make up for the fact that with almost any other childcare option you have to walk/drive the kids there before work and then pick them up later. It's not a matter of affording daycare is my point.

hot_gril 3y ago
It's a bigger issue in the South Bay because these tech offices are in huge office-only zones that take a long time to get in or out of. Back when I worked there, I was so glad lunch was on-prem for the same reason, and would've been glad even if I had to pay for it. Kinda creepy how they're like company towns, though.

jonathankoren 3y ago

Daycare is literally the monthly cost of a two bedroom apartment.

grepfru_it 3y ago
My daycare cost $1300 at 6 months and $800 at 4 years. A two bedroom apartment around here starts at $2200 (less if you live in different parts of town, but the daycare costs go down accordingly). In our story, we were not able to get into the "elite" daycare that all the who's who of my city went to. That daycare cost $1500 - $1100 respectively. We ended up going to our daycare out of necessity which just turned out to be a really really good daycare, so we got lucky. But the point is the extra $2200/mo, as you noted, was part of my salary
- eigen 3y ago
  currently on penninsula it is significantly more expensive than that. Foster City Odyssey Preschool for toddlers is $2100 for school day, plus $500 extended day until 6pm. https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions https://www.odysseypreschool.com/foster-city-admissions Pennisula Jewish is $3125 for toddlers until 5:30pm https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-Rate-Sheet-2023-24-rev-June-23.pdf https://pjcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/PJCC-Preschool-R...