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This is type of stuff make me not like big corp, the culture and company value eventually corrupts. And if you are like Apple, after the charismatic founder die

This is type of stuff make me not like big corp, the culture and company value eventually corrupts. And if you are like Apple, after the charismatic founder dies, pretty much it goes to shit as well.

tracerbulletx 3y ago
What makes you think that's happened to Apple yet. Their product ecosystem still feels cohesively designed to me, and the new Macbooks have been a fantastic bit of category leading work.
- JeffSnazz 3y ago
  I can't name a single software feature that they've come out with in the last few years—that's certainly a notable change from their old release cycle.
  - xerox13ster 3y ago
    Live Voicemail
    - JeffSnazz 3y ago
      Literally never heard of it before this comment. Thanks for the heads up.
  - tracerbulletx 3y ago
    Log Video recording on the iPhone was pretty cool for me. But also coming up this year probably are two huge things, an actually good interface for Apple Vision which is a pretty impressive accomplishment, and I would bet a lot that we see a huge revamp of the iPhone this year with on device LLM features.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    They're a hardware and cloud services company. Most of the "software" are features for the hardware.
    - JeffSnazz 3y ago
      That's certainly how they may see themselves, but the hardware isn't what I buy Apple products to access. It's just a nice perk that the hardware is so well-manufactured, frankly—it's the software that I actually interact with day in and out. I'd be ecstatic running macOS on a thinkpad.
      - CydeWeys 3y ago
        > I'd be ecstatic running macOS on a thinkpad. Weird, I have exactly the opposite view. I love the Mac laptop hardware (it's clearly the best in class, with by far the best battery life), but I don't like MacOS. I would much prefer to run Linux (with proper battery performance tuning) on a nice Macbook Pro.
        JeffSnazz 3y ago
        I just can't match the productivity of macOS. Particularly the keybindings of linux are a non-starter for me. I always end up gravitating back towards just using emacs, and then just using emacs on a mac, and then just going back to vscode or sublime text (which tbf, both of these work excellently on linux) on mac.
        wharvle 3y ago
        If I had to go back to a Linux desktop full-time—compelled by a witch's curse or something, I dunno, doesn't matter why—and it were an option (it's not) I'd pay quite a bit of money just to get supported version of Apple's productivity and utility programs for Linux. Preview, Safari, Numbers, Pages, Keynote, Digital Color Meter, Notes, probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. Hell, I even like Terminal at least as well as any of the options on Linux. I don't enjoy using any of the "big" equivalents of those things on Linux (like Libreoffice or Firefox), don't like any of the options in some cases (any kind of Preview replacement—all contenders are much worse), and the ones I find tolerable are all way on the low end as far as developer attention and user-share, so tend to be even jankier than the platform median for desktop software, and certainly aren't as well-integrated with one another (Abiword, Numeric, Gnome Web / Epiphany or Surf) To be fair to Linux, the same would be true if the same thing happened except with Windows. Though Paint.net and Notepad++ are really nice. [EDIT] Yeah, I know, those aren't first-party programs, just trying to give any credit I can. The software—not even the fancy stuff, just the same sorts of programs we've had on desktops for decades—is a big part of why Apple's ecosystem is sticky for me, and it's hard to justify leaving even when they're not bringing their A-game. Being on their platform gets me access to my favorite well-supported programs in several crucial program categories. > Particularly the keybindings of linux are a non-starter for me. I spent my first 18 or so computing-years on Windows and Linux, barely touched a Mac. When I finally switched (was issued one at a new job) I decided within a year that Macs had simply the most-correct default English keyboard layout and shortcut-set, and it's not a close contest. It's really, really good. Replicating it on Linux is weirdly difficult to achieve, fully and without issues, considering being able to customize everything is one of its core draws.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    Excellent, quick, automatic, transparent-to-the-user OCR on basically all images that use native toolkit controls on both iOS and macOS was the kind of thing that instantly felt like a feature an OS needs to not feel incomplete. One of those "didn't know I needed this, would now feel horrible to not have it" sorts of things.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      I don't know if releasing a feature that all the other phones already had for a while fits the spirit of GP's point.
- joquarky 3y ago
  Do the new MacBooks let you configure AirPod Pros fully yet? I bought a pair thinking my Macbook would let me configure all the settings that you can on an iOS device.

This is type of stuff make me not like big corp, the culture and company value eventually corrupts. And if you are like Apple, after the charismatic founder dies, pretty much it goes to shit as well.

tracerbulletx 3y ago

What makes you think that's happened to Apple yet. Their product ecosystem still feels cohesively designed to me, and the new Macbooks have been a fantastic bit of category leading work.

JeffSnazz 3y ago
I can't name a single software feature that they've come out with in the last few years—that's certainly a notable change from their old release cycle.
- xerox13ster 3y ago
  Live Voicemail
  - JeffSnazz 3y ago
    Literally never heard of it before this comment. Thanks for the heads up.
- tracerbulletx 3y ago
  Log Video recording on the iPhone was pretty cool for me. But also coming up this year probably are two huge things, an actually good interface for Apple Vision which is a pretty impressive accomplishment, and I would bet a lot that we see a huge revamp of the iPhone this year with on device LLM features.
- r00fus 3y ago
  They're a hardware and cloud services company. Most of the "software" are features for the hardware.
  - JeffSnazz 3y ago
    That's certainly how they may see themselves, but the hardware isn't what I buy Apple products to access. It's just a nice perk that the hardware is so well-manufactured, frankly—it's the software that I actually interact with day in and out. I'd be ecstatic running macOS on a thinkpad.
    - CydeWeys 3y ago
      > I'd be ecstatic running macOS on a thinkpad. Weird, I have exactly the opposite view. I love the Mac laptop hardware (it's clearly the best in class, with by far the best battery life), but I don't like MacOS. I would much prefer to run Linux (with proper battery performance tuning) on a nice Macbook Pro.
      - JeffSnazz 3y ago
        I just can't match the productivity of macOS. Particularly the keybindings of linux are a non-starter for me. I always end up gravitating back towards just using emacs, and then just using emacs on a mac, and then just going back to vscode or sublime text (which tbf, both of these work excellently on linux) on mac.
        wharvle 3y ago
        If I had to go back to a Linux desktop full-time—compelled by a witch's curse or something, I dunno, doesn't matter why—and it were an option (it's not) I'd pay quite a bit of money just to get supported version of Apple's productivity and utility programs for Linux. Preview, Safari, Numbers, Pages, Keynote, Digital Color Meter, Notes, probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. Hell, I even like Terminal at least as well as any of the options on Linux. I don't enjoy using any of the "big" equivalents of those things on Linux (like Libreoffice or Firefox), don't like any of the options in some cases (any kind of Preview replacement—all contenders are much worse), and the ones I find tolerable are all way on the low end as far as developer attention and user-share, so tend to be even jankier than the platform median for desktop software, and certainly aren't as well-integrated with one another (Abiword, Numeric, Gnome Web / Epiphany or Surf) To be fair to Linux, the same would be true if the same thing happened except with Windows. Though Paint.net and Notepad++ are really nice. [EDIT] Yeah, I know, those aren't first-party programs, just trying to give any credit I can. The software—not even the fancy stuff, just the same sorts of programs we've had on desktops for decades—is a big part of why Apple's ecosystem is sticky for me, and it's hard to justify leaving even when they're not bringing their A-game. Being on their platform gets me access to my favorite well-supported programs in several crucial program categories. > Particularly the keybindings of linux are a non-starter for me. I spent my first 18 or so computing-years on Windows and Linux, barely touched a Mac. When I finally switched (was issued one at a new job) I decided within a year that Macs had simply the most-correct default English keyboard layout and shortcut-set, and it's not a close contest. It's really, really good. Replicating it on Linux is weirdly difficult to achieve, fully and without issues, considering being able to customize everything is one of its core draws.
- wharvle 3y ago
  Excellent, quick, automatic, transparent-to-the-user OCR on basically all images that use native toolkit controls on both iOS and macOS was the kind of thing that instantly felt like a feature an OS needs to not feel incomplete. One of those "didn't know I needed this, would now feel horrible to not have it" sorts of things.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    I don't know if releasing a feature that all the other phones already had for a while fits the spirit of GP's point.
joquarky 3y ago
Do the new MacBooks let you configure AirPod Pros fully yet? I bought a pair thinking my Macbook would let me configure all the settings that you can on an iOS device.