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You're right. You're helpless. Is that what you want to hear? Is that what you say at work? Is that what you tell your kids when they have a problem? Take step

You're right. You're helpless. Is that what you want to hear? Is that what you say at work? Is that what you tell your kids when they have a problem? Take step back - this response is beneath us; it's making ourselves victims. I could spell it out concretely, but the problem is the approach, the attitude, that talking like helpless victims is somehow ok. It's completely irresponsible - an abdication of our responsibilities to ourselves, our communities, our country, and future and past generations. Change that, and you won't need me to tell you what to do, you'll be busting at the seams with ideas and drive. Imagine where we'd be if past generations adopted this helplessness. Imagine Washington, Jefferson, and the rest, facing the British empire. Imagine FDR, Churchill, MLK, and so many more. That's who we need to live up to. I've never heard them talk like Americans today.

crazygringo 3y ago
> I could spell it out concretely Well please do then. There are lots of people with drive on the Democrat side -- look at everything Bernie inspired, for example. There's ideas and drive aplenty. Look at the optimism that propelled Obama into office. And then look at how little he was able to accomplish, compared with what he hoped to. Look at how he discovered that Republicans wouldn't work with him, no matter how bipartisan he tried to be. Because Republicans have drive too, in service of their own ideas -- ideas which are diametrically opposed to all of that. And they have the votes to block anything meaningful. So again, please spell it out concretely. How do you propose to overcome the power that Republicans currently wield? I'd love to hear your thoughts spelled out -- your effective political strategy here to get the votes.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  The only advice is: Get up and start working, start thinking and focusing on solving problems, start organizing and winning. Any leader, any manager, anyone with life experience can tell you: If I do it for you, then nothing has changed. Yes, Republican Party political tactics - pretty consistent since at least 2000 - have been effective. Why would they stop until someone stops them? Did you think those power-brokers, the vested interests, would make it easy? That is the nature of politics. It's not an exception; that's life; the enemy will fight. FWIW, Obama avoided confrontation; he never confronted them and stopped them. Same with Hillary Clinton, same with Biden, same with most of the Dem congressional leaders. Why would anyone, except the most brain-dead or blind, follow leaders who won't even stand up for themselves, who exhibit cowardice when confronted with even the most vile, absurd foes? And against them, you have the truth, good faith, good health and finances and everything else on your side. It couldn't be easier, in may respects. I've said way more than enough. It's really an absurd situation. Stop talking to me and get to work.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    So, you've got zero effective political strategy. Just a bunch of empty exhortation and generic advice. Sorry but that's not helpful. A little bit of advice back to you: the world is a much more complicated place than you seem you to think. The real world isn't a morality play where simply having "the truth" and "good faith" makes it so it "couldn't be easier" to win. That's the movies. That's fantasy. Not real life.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      > you've got zero effective political strategy That's you. You keep asking me to do your work. I've got plenty of ideas, energy, direction, and action.
verve_rat 3y ago
So no actual advice then...

crazygringo 3y ago

> I could spell it out concretely Well please do then. There are lots of people with drive on the Democrat side -- look at everything Bernie inspired, for example. There's ideas and drive aplenty. Look at the optimism that propelled Obama into office. And then look at how little he was able to accomplish, compared with what he hoped to. Look at how he discovered that Republicans wouldn't work with him, no matter how bipartisan he tried to be. Because Republicans have drive too, in service of their own ideas -- ideas which are diametrically opposed to all of that. And they have the votes to block anything meaningful. So again, please spell it out concretely. How do you propose to overcome the power that Republicans currently wield? I'd love to hear your thoughts spelled out -- your effective political strategy here to get the votes.

wolverine876 3y ago
The only advice is: Get up and start working, start thinking and focusing on solving problems, start organizing and winning. Any leader, any manager, anyone with life experience can tell you: If I do it for you, then nothing has changed. Yes, Republican Party political tactics - pretty consistent since at least 2000 - have been effective. Why would they stop until someone stops them? Did you think those power-brokers, the vested interests, would make it easy? That is the nature of politics. It's not an exception; that's life; the enemy will fight. FWIW, Obama avoided confrontation; he never confronted them and stopped them. Same with Hillary Clinton, same with Biden, same with most of the Dem congressional leaders. Why would anyone, except the most brain-dead or blind, follow leaders who won't even stand up for themselves, who exhibit cowardice when confronted with even the most vile, absurd foes? And against them, you have the truth, good faith, good health and finances and everything else on your side. It couldn't be easier, in may respects. I've said way more than enough. It's really an absurd situation. Stop talking to me and get to work.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  So, you've got zero effective political strategy. Just a bunch of empty exhortation and generic advice. Sorry but that's not helpful. A little bit of advice back to you: the world is a much more complicated place than you seem you to think. The real world isn't a morality play where simply having "the truth" and "good faith" makes it so it "couldn't be easier" to win. That's the movies. That's fantasy. Not real life.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    > you've got zero effective political strategy That's you. You keep asking me to do your work. I've got plenty of ideas, energy, direction, and action.

verve_rat 3y ago

So no actual advice then...