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That's true, and Apple has the capital to do pretty much whatever they want. I just think as we've seen with Google/Gemini it doesn't seem that easy to beat wha

That's true, and Apple has the capital to do pretty much whatever they want. I just think as we've seen with Google/Gemini it doesn't seem that easy to beat what OpenAI has going even with a lot of money to throw behind it. And I don't think Tim Cook is that much of a visionary but that's just my personal opinion. I hope Apple does succeed though because I love their hardware and their silicon is great for AI applications.

al_borland 3y ago
They don’t need to beat OpenAI if they plan to play a different game. The biggest question mark, like you mention, is how innovative can Apple be under Tim Cook? Are there systems and people in place to serve as those visionaries when the CEO is an operator at heart? I often wonder how much of what we’ve seen was in the pipeline when Jobs was still around, or is simply taken from what is popular in the moment vs having a vision for the future.
- yunwal 3y ago
  Apple Pencil is an example of a nicely designed product that Steve Jobs almost certainly did not contribute to (he hated styluses).
  - al_borland 3y ago
    The 2nd gen Apple Pencil, which charged wirelessly, yes. The first one was an abomination and the latest release doesn’t seem much better.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    That's sarcasm, right? Surely you're not lauding this asinine peripheral that is supposed to be jammed into a fragile port to recharge while sticking out like a chopstick waiting to be snapped off. Surely you're not lauding a near-useless gimmick that inexplicably doesn't work on the (defectively) giant trackpads of Apple's own computers... or most of their iPads.
    - yunwal 3y ago
      Im referring to the 2nd gen, never really saw the first gen until now but the charging method now is quite nice. First gen still is no worse than first-gen Magic Mouse, which launched under jobs though. Which is my main point, I don’t think Jobs was solely responsible for apple’s focus on design > Near-useless gimmick Man, millions of procreate enthusiasts would beg to disagree > doesn’t work on the giant trackpads Does anyone who stops to think about this for more than 2 seconds actually want this? What would you use it for besides digital signatures? Writing-to-text is just barely usable on tablets, I can’t see it being viable when you can’t see what you’re writing.
      - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        For sure, the "Magic" mouse is another Apple entry in the Hall of Peripheral Shame. "Does anyone who stops to think about this for more than 2 seconds actually want this?" Really? Have you ever heard of Wacom? They built an entire company on people who want this, and it has been in business for decades. And of course you can see what you're writing, right there on the screen! The surface area of current Apple laptop trackpads is 33% larger than that of a Wacom Intuos tablet: https://i.imgur.com/D8pmsTC.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/D8pmsTC.jpeg It has nothing to do with handwriting recognition, either. That's another area where Apple failed spectacularly to make the Pencil useful. All they had to do is add a single-character writing area to the standard keyboard on the iPad, as was nailed in the '90s by Palm. That way, ALL applications would have immediately have gotten handwriting-entry capability. Instead, Apple left it up to every application developer to implement it separately. Baffling.
        yunwal 3y ago
        Wacom is a totally separate device from a laptop, and can be positioned so that you can comfortably write/draw while looking straight on at your screen.
        ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        It's woefully impractical for a laptop, specifically because it CAN'T be flexibly positioned where many people would want it. Plus, you'd have to lug an additional and cumbersome device around with you, occupy a USB port with it, and deal with a wire. All of that makes the trackpad a much better option.

al_borland 3y ago

They don’t need to beat OpenAI if they plan to play a different game. The biggest question mark, like you mention, is how innovative can Apple be under Tim Cook? Are there systems and people in place to serve as those visionaries when the CEO is an operator at heart? I often wonder how much of what we’ve seen was in the pipeline when Jobs was still around, or is simply taken from what is popular in the moment vs having a vision for the future.

yunwal 3y ago
Apple Pencil is an example of a nicely designed product that Steve Jobs almost certainly did not contribute to (he hated styluses).
- al_borland 3y ago
  The 2nd gen Apple Pencil, which charged wirelessly, yes. The first one was an abomination and the latest release doesn’t seem much better.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  That's sarcasm, right? Surely you're not lauding this asinine peripheral that is supposed to be jammed into a fragile port to recharge while sticking out like a chopstick waiting to be snapped off. Surely you're not lauding a near-useless gimmick that inexplicably doesn't work on the (defectively) giant trackpads of Apple's own computers... or most of their iPads.
  - yunwal 3y ago
    Im referring to the 2nd gen, never really saw the first gen until now but the charging method now is quite nice. First gen still is no worse than first-gen Magic Mouse, which launched under jobs though. Which is my main point, I don’t think Jobs was solely responsible for apple’s focus on design > Near-useless gimmick Man, millions of procreate enthusiasts would beg to disagree > doesn’t work on the giant trackpads Does anyone who stops to think about this for more than 2 seconds actually want this? What would you use it for besides digital signatures? Writing-to-text is just barely usable on tablets, I can’t see it being viable when you can’t see what you’re writing.
    - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
      For sure, the "Magic" mouse is another Apple entry in the Hall of Peripheral Shame. "Does anyone who stops to think about this for more than 2 seconds actually want this?" Really? Have you ever heard of Wacom? They built an entire company on people who want this, and it has been in business for decades. And of course you can see what you're writing, right there on the screen! The surface area of current Apple laptop trackpads is 33% larger than that of a Wacom Intuos tablet: https://i.imgur.com/D8pmsTC.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/D8pmsTC.jpeg It has nothing to do with handwriting recognition, either. That's another area where Apple failed spectacularly to make the Pencil useful. All they had to do is add a single-character writing area to the standard keyboard on the iPad, as was nailed in the '90s by Palm. That way, ALL applications would have immediately have gotten handwriting-entry capability. Instead, Apple left it up to every application developer to implement it separately. Baffling.
      - yunwal 3y ago
        Wacom is a totally separate device from a laptop, and can be positioned so that you can comfortably write/draw while looking straight on at your screen.
        ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        It's woefully impractical for a laptop, specifically because it CAN'T be flexibly positioned where many people would want it. Plus, you'd have to lug an additional and cumbersome device around with you, occupy a USB port with it, and deal with a wire. All of that makes the trackpad a much better option.