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That price range might have been accurate 7 years ago, but modern graphics cards for gaming range from $300 to $1000 with the highest level pushing $2000 thanks

That price range might have been accurate 7 years ago, but modern graphics cards for gaming range from $300 to $1000 with the highest level pushing $2000 thanks to the AI craze. The higher prices make quality iGPUs all the more relevent - especially since the "gamer" demographic continues growing and many of the most popular games are not particularly demanding.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
Platforms, especially AM5, are very expensive too. Ryzen 8000 is far slower than even the slowest new discrete GPU. The real value option is buying an older platform (AM4) and a used discrete GPU, from back when prices were more sane.
- snvzz 3y ago
  ... if electricity was free. Power efficiency wise, a discrete GPU won't compare favorably.
  - aenis 3y ago
    Dunno if thats true. Assume mid range 200w gpu. Assume 20 eurocents per kWh (I live in the northern europe and pay about as much on a flexible contract). Assume a decent PSU. A year of gaming (assume, very optimistically, 365hrs) is circa 17 eur for the electricity. Considering relative perf differences, I'd say a discrete GPU compares favourably.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      It would be more useful to compare idle power, APU vs chiplet-based CPU + discrete GPU combo.
    - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
      65W TDP for CPU + GPU in power-constrained environments, or when you want to have less battery storage requirements for renewables/backup power, is quite the boon. I had a 5700G (I think) last year and the system would go up to 150W max. I could survive about 2-3h of no electricity with my small inverter battery setup if I kept usage minimal (no work, no gaming). Handy performance wise for a mostly work machine with some indie gaming on the side, but these 8000 series are under half that wattage. Admittedly this isn't the most common need/concern, but it's good to know options are getting better all the time.

brucethemoose2 3y ago

Platforms, especially AM5, are very expensive too. Ryzen 8000 is far slower than even the slowest new discrete GPU. The real value option is buying an older platform (AM4) and a used discrete GPU, from back when prices were more sane.

snvzz 3y ago
... if electricity was free. Power efficiency wise, a discrete GPU won't compare favorably.
- aenis 3y ago
  Dunno if thats true. Assume mid range 200w gpu. Assume 20 eurocents per kWh (I live in the northern europe and pay about as much on a flexible contract). Assume a decent PSU. A year of gaming (assume, very optimistically, 365hrs) is circa 17 eur for the electricity. Considering relative perf differences, I'd say a discrete GPU compares favourably.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    It would be more useful to compare idle power, APU vs chiplet-based CPU + discrete GPU combo.
  - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
    65W TDP for CPU + GPU in power-constrained environments, or when you want to have less battery storage requirements for renewables/backup power, is quite the boon. I had a 5700G (I think) last year and the system would go up to 150W max. I could survive about 2-3h of no electricity with my small inverter battery setup if I kept usage minimal (no work, no gaming). Handy performance wise for a mostly work machine with some indie gaming on the side, but these 8000 series are under half that wattage. Admittedly this isn't the most common need/concern, but it's good to know options are getting better all the time.