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>If your argument against income is that some people make a lot, so instead make everyone poorer, I find that a weak argument How did what I say in any way rel

>If your argument against income is that some people make a lot, so instead make everyone poorer, I find that a weak argument How did what I say in any way relate with making everyone poorer? You're just assuming what my position is, and also assuming the outcome based on what happened in other random countries, in a completely different setting. I'm against concentrations of power because the government should not have a competitor when it comes to power. We elect the government, and in a functioning democracy the government's policies are decided on by voters. This in effect ensures only the people get to decide who govern them. There should never be another entity which can out compete a government when it comes to power and influence. >I'd rather policymakers learn econ and history and learn that things like rent control, or various forms of taxes, have consequences that often hurt those they claim to want to help. Its a common talking point, but in reality that is just an opinion masquerading as fact. It presumes everything in economics is an inarguable fact. It is not. Humans have been successfully governing themselves under various systems of governance. Anyway, that itself is a 4 hour debate, so I'll just leave it at that. If you want the final word you have it, I won't argue with it ;)

SideQuark 3y ago
> Its a common talking point, but in reality that is just an opinion masquerading as fact. Spoken like someone ignorant of history and econ. Rent control is such a screw up, over and over, that it's a basic part of econ 101, yet politicians and everyday people want and obtain it again and again, each time to the same outcome - less housing and less affordable housing. Care to point out where rent control has been a smashing success, and compare that to places it has been a dismal failure? This is not opinion - this is fact. Or simply read some survey papers - google has plenty. A good tax example is something like the Swedish Financial Transaction Tax [1], which was a major screw up, yet has been tried in around 15 countries, all with similar screw ups, yet is popular (see Bernie Sanders version from ~2020 for example). There are ample academic papers detailing all of these. Also fact. Go ahead and explain how the Swiss tax was a success. People ignorant of history and econ, and most importantly how econ works, continually repeat stupid ideas. Maybe this time magic will work because they believe it? You are a prime example of this problem with your claim. Yes, there is some play in econ, but it's no where near something one can just wish away, yet people ignorant of it try. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_financial_transaction_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_financial_transaction_...
- pompino 3y ago
  You can believe in your ideology, the problem is you have to convince others if you want to do anything democratic, and so far you haven't. I said I won't argue with you so I wont ;) Good luck.
  - SideQuark 3y ago
    I presented an event which is a list of facts - there is no opinion on it. Did you read it? I suspect not. The ideology in this thread is only willfull ignorance - showing someone something easy to grasp, yet they refuse to believe it. You illustrate my point precisely. Mass (and often willful) ignorance leads humanity to make bad decisions. > I said I won't argue with you Yet you continue to reply after you already said you won't.....

SideQuark 3y ago

> Its a common talking point, but in reality that is just an opinion masquerading as fact. Spoken like someone ignorant of history and econ. Rent control is such a screw up, over and over, that it's a basic part of econ 101, yet politicians and everyday people want and obtain it again and again, each time to the same outcome - less housing and less affordable housing. Care to point out where rent control has been a smashing success, and compare that to places it has been a dismal failure? This is not opinion - this is fact. Or simply read some survey papers - google has plenty. A good tax example is something like the Swedish Financial Transaction Tax [1], which was a major screw up, yet has been tried in around 15 countries, all with similar screw ups, yet is popular (see Bernie Sanders version from ~2020 for example). There are ample academic papers detailing all of these. Also fact. Go ahead and explain how the Swiss tax was a success. People ignorant of history and econ, and most importantly how econ works, continually repeat stupid ideas. Maybe this time magic will work because they believe it? You are a prime example of this problem with your claim. Yes, there is some play in econ, but it's no where near something one can just wish away, yet people ignorant of it try. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_financial_transaction_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_financial_transaction_...

pompino 3y ago
You can believe in your ideology, the problem is you have to convince others if you want to do anything democratic, and so far you haven't. I said I won't argue with you so I wont ;) Good luck.
- SideQuark 3y ago
  I presented an event which is a list of facts - there is no opinion on it. Did you read it? I suspect not. The ideology in this thread is only willfull ignorance - showing someone something easy to grasp, yet they refuse to believe it. You illustrate my point precisely. Mass (and often willful) ignorance leads humanity to make bad decisions. > I said I won't argue with you Yet you continue to reply after you already said you won't.....