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If you consider "Extreme PC Gaming" to be AAA games at 1080p on low settings, sure. https://www.anandtech.com/show/21208/amd-unveils-ryzen-8000g-series-process

If you consider "Extreme PC Gaming" to be AAA games at 1080p on low settings, sure. https://www.anandtech.com/show/21208/amd-unveils-ryzen-8000g-series-processors-zen-4-apus-for-desktop-with-ryzen-ai https://www.anandtech.com/show/21208/amd-unveils-ryzen-8000g...

declan_roberts 3y ago
For a desktop without an additional $200-$500 graphics card this is impressive.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Not really, since the APUs themselves are historically quite expensive.
  - Moto7451 3y ago
    That hasn’t been true for the Zen based models at least. The 5700G and now the 8700G occupy the $350-370 price slot. My comparable 13th gen Intel CPU with lesser graphics was the same price. That’s a great value for a casual gamer. I’m sure at some point we’ll see Intel based APU equivalents on desktop with some teeth. Intel needs to solve their driver issues first.
    - brucethemoose2 3y ago
      > That’s a great value for a casual gamer. It depends. If you're truly performance insensitive and have to buy new, maybe, but these APUs are extremely slow compared to even older, low end discrete GPUs. AM5 is an expensive platform. The total cost of a DDR4 platform is peanuts in comparison.
      - toast0 3y ago
        The cpus are currently significantly more expensive, yes, but is the AM5 platform that much more expensive than AM4? On AM4, pcpartpicker says I can get an A520M board for $70, and 2x16GB DDR4-3600 CL18 for $55; total $125 On AM5, an A620M board is $75, and 2x16GB DDR5-5600 starts at $76; total $151. The real question is where the Microcenter bundle pricing will end up, if you live near a Microcenter.
        brucethemoose2 3y ago
        Mmm, A620 has come down considerably since I last checked. That's good.
- CivBase 3y ago
  That price range might have been accurate 7 years ago, but modern graphics cards for gaming range from $300 to $1000 with the highest level pushing $2000 thanks to the AI craze. The higher prices make quality iGPUs all the more relevent - especially since the "gamer" demographic continues growing and many of the most popular games are not particularly demanding.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Platforms, especially AM5, are very expensive too. Ryzen 8000 is far slower than even the slowest new discrete GPU. The real value option is buying an older platform (AM4) and a used discrete GPU, from back when prices were more sane.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      ... if electricity was free. Power efficiency wise, a discrete GPU won't compare favorably.
      - aenis 3y ago
        Dunno if thats true. Assume mid range 200w gpu. Assume 20 eurocents per kWh (I live in the northern europe and pay about as much on a flexible contract). Assume a decent PSU. A year of gaming (assume, very optimistically, 365hrs) is circa 17 eur for the electricity. Considering relative perf differences, I'd say a discrete GPU compares favourably.
        snvzz 3y ago
        It would be more useful to compare idle power, APU vs chiplet-based CPU + discrete GPU combo.
        TheCapeGreek 3y ago
        65W TDP for CPU + GPU in power-constrained environments, or when you want to have less battery storage requirements for renewables/backup power, is quite the boon. I had a 5700G (I think) last year and the system would go up to 150W max. I could survive about 2-3h of no electricity with my small inverter battery setup if I kept usage minimal (no work, no gaming). Handy performance wise for a mostly work machine with some indie gaming on the side, but these 8000 series are under half that wattage. Admittedly this isn't the most common need/concern, but it's good to know options are getting better all the time.
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  A used graphics card good enough to play 1080p games on low settings would not be very expensive at all.
  - ozarker 3y ago
    You can find used 1080ti's for like $100 nowadays. I still use one for 1440p gaming and get excellent frames with most games. Kinda mind blowing value
    - readyplayernull 3y ago
      Aren't these the remnants of the Bitcoin gold-rush age?
    - currymj 3y ago
      this GPU was so good at the time that it started cannibalizing sales of higher end data center cards, and Nvidia had to put terms in the EULA for the drivers to try to legally prevent this.
    - thot_experiment 3y ago
      100% 1080Ti is insane value, I have two of them and zero complaints, the 11 gigs of vram make it great for inference as well.
    - vegasje 3y ago
      Please tell me where I can get a used 1080 ti (that works) for $100.
      - artificialLimbs 3y ago
        6 seconds. This one is $90. https://www.ebay.com/itm/375175111524?hash=item575a2de364:g:czcAAOSwHoRlFfxf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4CfDBpLoWS5RoKT6UqW7fFurw0XKPIB5riyAagGa3sH2Tqdt%2Fk2rqmU6s1AugkDMhFegyFWgIao4R4XqlOt%2FyJxa60BUGkEmYks%2FKD0eVJ%2Bq8efh5MzT3qIiZ82ZD55dIYpAXef09vDjFXHBuq%2BBC19UhxNRbM7qskemyVvnt89zSxWxRye9UOB5fi%2FwDh98YodfZ4LUZ6Yo66%2F0pb6NMfuPQWNlMRDvNQsBLCXGJC48yo6A%2F2wPqLXIZFsWzr4ReSKcJAvGOj0GsngMCRoN3JS6Bc5hf4QLJXjF%2BuRcS6wi%7Ctkp%3ABFBM1rrUwp9j https://www.ebay.com/itm/375175111524?hash=item575a2de364:g:...
- ryukoposting 3y ago
  I just sold my old GTX 1050 Ti for $35, and it vastly outperforms Vega 11. iGPUs are useful, they just aren't great value for budget gaming PCs (unless we're talking super-duper low budget, where a $50 used GPU is really going to break the bank). HTPC/NAS that's going to run Jackbox at 4K occasionally? Great use case for an R5 with an iGPU.
  - sspiff 3y ago
    Why are you comparing to Vega? These new chips have RDNA iGPUs. While I agree that buying a used GPU will be probably net you better performance per dollar, the 1050Ti is significantly slower than the 780M and even 760M and uses significantly more power. Some benchmarks can be seen here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Cjnep8j-o https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Cjnep8j-o
    - ryukoposting 3y ago
      A couple reasons: Vega 11 is the best iGPU on a desktop CPU that you can actually buy right now. Preliminary benchmarks on engineering samples are fun to ogle at, but aren't necessarily an accurate representation of the product that will actually land on your local Microcenter's shelves. Then there's the estimated MSRP - only the 8500G's $180 price tag fits the "budget gaming PC" description, and even that's pushing it. You can also buy a better GPU than a 1050Ti for less than $50 used.
- bloody-crow 3y ago
  Why can't we just acknowledge that "extreme gaming" in a rather absurd term to describe the APU in question? The fact that the performance doesn't suck as much as it used to doesn't make it less absurd. Extreme gaming is close to maxing out currently available performance oriented hardware regardless the cost so unless those APUs can produce results comparable to top of the line CPU paired with something like RTX4090, it doesn't belong with "extreme gaming" in any way.
  - ephemeral-life 3y ago
    This type of language is used everywhere in the gaming hardware segment. I think it is kinda tacky, but it has to be working if the entire industry adopted it.
  - userbinator 3y ago
    Intel's 2nd generation UMA GPUs, which were branded "Intel Extreme Graphics", were likewise far from extreme.
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blibble 3y ago
it's average frame rate too 99%ile (or even minimum) would be far more interesting
- NavinF 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure this product line targets people who can't afford a new GPU and aren't aware of the used hardware market. 60fps average and arbitrarily low 1%-low fps is totally acceptable for this segment. Recall that a lot of games ran at 30fps in the PS3 era. Back then people would unironically say "the human eye can't see 60fps". Even today a lotta gamers have never experienced low latency
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Precisely. This is for when used hardware is not an option.
  - blibble 3y ago
    I'd agree if AMD's title didn't explicitly say "Extreme PC Gaming" Extreme PC Gaming in 2024 is not 60fps at 1080p, it wasn't even in 2018
KennyBlanken 3y ago
It's six year old mid-tier performance. AMD marketing had to dig pretty deep to find decent numbers...4-5 year old games. Metro Exodus? Shadow of the Tomb Raider? GTA 5? And some random kid's game nobody has ever heard of? Given the choices are between "buggy as hell" (Intel) "space heater and slightly buggy" (AMD discreet) and "good but stupidly overpriced" (Nvidia), a fourth option, for the low end of the market, is welcome. Edit: since I'm being downvoted for claiming the games listed aren't relevant: go look at steamcharts. GTA5 and Dota are the only top 25 games; Cyberpunk is #26. The rest aren't even top 100 games.
- chmod775 3y ago
  That game selection isn't an accident. They're all extremely popular and/or have a benchmark built-in. Look at any third-party review and you'll find a very similar selection.
  - KennyBlanken 3y ago
    With the exception of GTA5 and DOTA2, none of the games they list are even in the top 50 on Steamcharts. "and/or have a benchmark built in" doing a whole lot of lifting...
    - Hikikomori 3y ago
      And League of Legends and World of Tanks. Why would you expect to find singpleplayer to top the charts? Especially when they're not new.
- drzaiusapelord 3y ago
  Kid's game? Tiny Tina/Borderlands is a huge franchise in gaming. I think its clear these two games were chosen because the cell-shaded style they use is less GPU demanding, but its still impressive. But note things like Cyberpunk 2077 is there too. These are all popular games. I don't think its this dishonest ploy you're making out to be. My 2070 barely handles those games at that fps. Yes those are older games because this APU is not going to play modern AAA at 4k, but it can handle some pretty hefty games fairly well and might be tempting to budget gamers especially when mid-tier cards start at $500-600 nowadays.
drzaiusapelord 3y ago
63 fps on Cyberpunk 2077 which when it came out was "unplayable but on the most powerful PCs" is incredibly impressive without a GPU. This is pretty close to my 2070 GPU does, which cost me $400+ a couple years ago and uses 215W. My CPU also uses 100W, so about 300W compared to 65W for very roughly similar performance (in some games) is still pretty incredible. Now GPUs are almost twice that for that xx70's and xx80's cards. I don't know what market this is aimed at, but this is very impressive for an APU. There's a pretty strong budget PC gamer community that could benefit from this. There are a lot of people who can't afford gaming PCs anymore and this could be a big seller to the budget community. Also at 65TDP power supply and fans and ventilation costs will be low, so they can be sold in cheap and modest cases and ps's. I'm not sure if these chips translate into laptops, but a laptop that games well is always desirable in the gaming market.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
  > This is pretty close to my 2070 GPU does Not even remotely close. It's equivalent to an RX570 or 580, which is roughly 1050 territory. Your 2070 is equivalent roughly to a 1080, plus raytracing. > Cyberpunk when it came out [..] unplayable but on the most powerful PCs is incredibly impressive without a GPU. The game has seen numerous patches in the last three years since it was released that have significantly increased its performance.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    >It's equivalent to an RX570 or 580 RX 6500, in more recent parlance. I would however wait for third party reviews on these SoCs. They promise performance that's simply unheard of, for an APU. Best to be skeptic than else.
    - tracker1 3y ago
      It's a side effect of the laptop efforts... Getting a price and margin that makes sense. Using the same tech in desktop form makes sense for a lot of people. A $600 or so desktop that can game albeit at lower settings is pretty impressive these days.
madeofpalk 3y ago
I just do regular pc gaming - am I allowed to buy these EXTREME processors?
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einpoklum 3y ago
For an upgrade to a PC which fits, PSU and all, into a tiny case like this one: https://store.nfc-systems.com/products/skyreach-4-tiny https://store.nfc-systems.com/products/skyreach-4-tiny with purely vanilla off-the-shelf parts - I definitely do. I will take these APUs every day of the week and so would millions of people for whom this is the new extreme in their PC system configuration space.
asylteltine 3y ago
Compared to consoles, that is extreme
culopatin 3y ago
If this fits in a mini pc that would be pretty nice. A NUC sized box that plays cyberpunk, not bad
- tracker1 3y ago
  Pretty close to where a lot of the higher end mini PCs land... It's not a bad thing.
- paulmd 3y ago
  The minisforums designs (like UM790 Pro etc) are getting increasingly impressive. They have had a bumpy road but they really have finally figured out getting LM to work in a production product. You can't open it but you don't have to - everything that's user-accessible is in a service bay. UM790 Pro is perpetually ~$519-539 or w/e, and they also have a newer version with an oculink in addition to the 2x usb4/thunderbolt ports. [LM: liquid metal, gallium-indium alloy with high conductivity but liquid at room temperature, and conductive, which makes it tedious and exacting to apply etc, but it's the only way to keep pushing thermal density upwards to that degree. PS5 used it as well, and that's part of how they pushed form factor down a ton in a fairly high-TDP product.] Minisforum also had a laptop CPU on a mITX board which frankly is also an underexplored niche, why is that one chinese company (edit: erying) the only ones putting tiger lake onto a socket etc? Atoms etc aren't the only way that low-end market can be tapped, and big chipsets with tons of IO don't make sense on that kind of product anyway. Even the ryzen desktop chips provide a "SOC platform" that can do USB, ethernet, and a few other things iirc - it's used in things like the DeskMini/Deskmeet X300 series, look at the addons they need, it does pull the mobo cost way down. (AMD does not allow X300 to be used in this way, X300 mobos cannot be sold standalone, has to be integrated into a product which is licensed separately, can't lose the bundled sale. Imagine if those firewall appliances etc could run a 5700X3D or 7940HS instead of a 1165G7 or 1125G4 or whatever. that would be awful.) Long-term support is not great (things fall off pretty quickly from what I've heard) and really ideally I'd also like to see them support ECC (7940HS supports it) to open up the homelab market a little more. Because they're doing these really zany powerful things, they crammed a 7940HS into a NUC formfactor and routed it out efficiently into things for people who want to expand, etc. They're cooking, and as the oculink and MCIO and other breakout ecosystems start to mature things are gonna get interesting for the NUC market. And they're already interesting for GENOAD8X-2T and so on too. People are realizing the need for this to be more modular than PCIe edge card/ATX allow in a regular tower form factor. The children yearn for PCIe lanes, they just don't know why or how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu-GKq58Og https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu-GKq58Og https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfArhUdAm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfArhUdAm8 (this can be extended to an interleaved network of 5 nodes, where with only 2 links per node you are tolerant to no more than 1 node failing yet only 2 hops to any other node) https://i.imgur.com/i56PdsC.png https://i.imgur.com/i56PdsC.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08LG64fvqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08LG64fvqI https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-rack-genoad8x-2t-bcm-review-an-uncomfortably-good-motherboard-amd-epyc-broadcom/ https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-rack-genoad8x-2t-bcm-rev...
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declan_roberts 3y ago

For a desktop without an additional $200-$500 graphics card this is impressive.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
Not really, since the APUs themselves are historically quite expensive.
- Moto7451 3y ago
  That hasn’t been true for the Zen based models at least. The 5700G and now the 8700G occupy the $350-370 price slot. My comparable 13th gen Intel CPU with lesser graphics was the same price. That’s a great value for a casual gamer. I’m sure at some point we’ll see Intel based APU equivalents on desktop with some teeth. Intel needs to solve their driver issues first.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > That’s a great value for a casual gamer. It depends. If you're truly performance insensitive and have to buy new, maybe, but these APUs are extremely slow compared to even older, low end discrete GPUs. AM5 is an expensive platform. The total cost of a DDR4 platform is peanuts in comparison.
    - toast0 3y ago
      The cpus are currently significantly more expensive, yes, but is the AM5 platform that much more expensive than AM4? On AM4, pcpartpicker says I can get an A520M board for $70, and 2x16GB DDR4-3600 CL18 for $55; total $125 On AM5, an A620M board is $75, and 2x16GB DDR5-5600 starts at $76; total $151. The real question is where the Microcenter bundle pricing will end up, if you live near a Microcenter.
      - brucethemoose2 3y ago
        Mmm, A620 has come down considerably since I last checked. That's good.
CivBase 3y ago
That price range might have been accurate 7 years ago, but modern graphics cards for gaming range from $300 to $1000 with the highest level pushing $2000 thanks to the AI craze. The higher prices make quality iGPUs all the more relevent - especially since the "gamer" demographic continues growing and many of the most popular games are not particularly demanding.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Platforms, especially AM5, are very expensive too. Ryzen 8000 is far slower than even the slowest new discrete GPU. The real value option is buying an older platform (AM4) and a used discrete GPU, from back when prices were more sane.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    ... if electricity was free. Power efficiency wise, a discrete GPU won't compare favorably.
    - aenis 3y ago
      Dunno if thats true. Assume mid range 200w gpu. Assume 20 eurocents per kWh (I live in the northern europe and pay about as much on a flexible contract). Assume a decent PSU. A year of gaming (assume, very optimistically, 365hrs) is circa 17 eur for the electricity. Considering relative perf differences, I'd say a discrete GPU compares favourably.
      - snvzz 3y ago
        It would be more useful to compare idle power, APU vs chiplet-based CPU + discrete GPU combo.
      - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
        65W TDP for CPU + GPU in power-constrained environments, or when you want to have less battery storage requirements for renewables/backup power, is quite the boon. I had a 5700G (I think) last year and the system would go up to 150W max. I could survive about 2-3h of no electricity with my small inverter battery setup if I kept usage minimal (no work, no gaming). Handy performance wise for a mostly work machine with some indie gaming on the side, but these 8000 series are under half that wattage. Admittedly this isn't the most common need/concern, but it's good to know options are getting better all the time.
GeekyBear 3y ago
A used graphics card good enough to play 1080p games on low settings would not be very expensive at all.
- ozarker 3y ago
  You can find used 1080ti's for like $100 nowadays. I still use one for 1440p gaming and get excellent frames with most games. Kinda mind blowing value
  - readyplayernull 3y ago
    Aren't these the remnants of the Bitcoin gold-rush age?
  - currymj 3y ago
    this GPU was so good at the time that it started cannibalizing sales of higher end data center cards, and Nvidia had to put terms in the EULA for the drivers to try to legally prevent this.
  - thot_experiment 3y ago
    100% 1080Ti is insane value, I have two of them and zero complaints, the 11 gigs of vram make it great for inference as well.
  - vegasje 3y ago
    Please tell me where I can get a used 1080 ti (that works) for $100.
    - artificialLimbs 3y ago
      6 seconds. This one is $90. https://www.ebay.com/itm/375175111524?hash=item575a2de364:g:czcAAOSwHoRlFfxf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4CfDBpLoWS5RoKT6UqW7fFurw0XKPIB5riyAagGa3sH2Tqdt%2Fk2rqmU6s1AugkDMhFegyFWgIao4R4XqlOt%2FyJxa60BUGkEmYks%2FKD0eVJ%2Bq8efh5MzT3qIiZ82ZD55dIYpAXef09vDjFXHBuq%2BBC19UhxNRbM7qskemyVvnt89zSxWxRye9UOB5fi%2FwDh98YodfZ4LUZ6Yo66%2F0pb6NMfuPQWNlMRDvNQsBLCXGJC48yo6A%2F2wPqLXIZFsWzr4ReSKcJAvGOj0GsngMCRoN3JS6Bc5hf4QLJXjF%2BuRcS6wi%7Ctkp%3ABFBM1rrUwp9j https://www.ebay.com/itm/375175111524?hash=item575a2de364:g:...
ryukoposting 3y ago
I just sold my old GTX 1050 Ti for $35, and it vastly outperforms Vega 11. iGPUs are useful, they just aren't great value for budget gaming PCs (unless we're talking super-duper low budget, where a $50 used GPU is really going to break the bank). HTPC/NAS that's going to run Jackbox at 4K occasionally? Great use case for an R5 with an iGPU.
- sspiff 3y ago
  Why are you comparing to Vega? These new chips have RDNA iGPUs. While I agree that buying a used GPU will be probably net you better performance per dollar, the 1050Ti is significantly slower than the 780M and even 760M and uses significantly more power. Some benchmarks can be seen here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Cjnep8j-o https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Cjnep8j-o
  - ryukoposting 3y ago
    A couple reasons: Vega 11 is the best iGPU on a desktop CPU that you can actually buy right now. Preliminary benchmarks on engineering samples are fun to ogle at, but aren't necessarily an accurate representation of the product that will actually land on your local Microcenter's shelves. Then there's the estimated MSRP - only the 8500G's $180 price tag fits the "budget gaming PC" description, and even that's pushing it. You can also buy a better GPU than a 1050Ti for less than $50 used.
bloody-crow 3y ago
Why can't we just acknowledge that "extreme gaming" in a rather absurd term to describe the APU in question? The fact that the performance doesn't suck as much as it used to doesn't make it less absurd. Extreme gaming is close to maxing out currently available performance oriented hardware regardless the cost so unless those APUs can produce results comparable to top of the line CPU paired with something like RTX4090, it doesn't belong with "extreme gaming" in any way.
- ephemeral-life 3y ago
  This type of language is used everywhere in the gaming hardware segment. I think it is kinda tacky, but it has to be working if the entire industry adopted it.
- userbinator 3y ago
  Intel's 2nd generation UMA GPUs, which were branded "Intel Extreme Graphics", were likewise far from extreme.
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blibble 3y ago

it's average frame rate too 99%ile (or even minimum) would be far more interesting

NavinF 3y ago
I'm pretty sure this product line targets people who can't afford a new GPU and aren't aware of the used hardware market. 60fps average and arbitrarily low 1%-low fps is totally acceptable for this segment. Recall that a lot of games ran at 30fps in the PS3 era. Back then people would unironically say "the human eye can't see 60fps". Even today a lotta gamers have never experienced low latency
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Precisely. This is for when used hardware is not an option.
- blibble 3y ago
  I'd agree if AMD's title didn't explicitly say "Extreme PC Gaming" Extreme PC Gaming in 2024 is not 60fps at 1080p, it wasn't even in 2018

KennyBlanken 3y ago

It's six year old mid-tier performance. AMD marketing had to dig pretty deep to find decent numbers...4-5 year old games. Metro Exodus? Shadow of the Tomb Raider? GTA 5? And some random kid's game nobody has ever heard of? Given the choices are between "buggy as hell" (Intel) "space heater and slightly buggy" (AMD discreet) and "good but stupidly overpriced" (Nvidia), a fourth option, for the low end of the market, is welcome. Edit: since I'm being downvoted for claiming the games listed aren't relevant: go look at steamcharts. GTA5 and Dota are the only top 25 games; Cyberpunk is #26. The rest aren't even top 100 games.

chmod775 3y ago
That game selection isn't an accident. They're all extremely popular and/or have a benchmark built-in. Look at any third-party review and you'll find a very similar selection.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
  With the exception of GTA5 and DOTA2, none of the games they list are even in the top 50 on Steamcharts. "and/or have a benchmark built in" doing a whole lot of lifting...
  - Hikikomori 3y ago
    And League of Legends and World of Tanks. Why would you expect to find singpleplayer to top the charts? Especially when they're not new.
drzaiusapelord 3y ago
Kid's game? Tiny Tina/Borderlands is a huge franchise in gaming. I think its clear these two games were chosen because the cell-shaded style they use is less GPU demanding, but its still impressive. But note things like Cyberpunk 2077 is there too. These are all popular games. I don't think its this dishonest ploy you're making out to be. My 2070 barely handles those games at that fps. Yes those are older games because this APU is not going to play modern AAA at 4k, but it can handle some pretty hefty games fairly well and might be tempting to budget gamers especially when mid-tier cards start at $500-600 nowadays.

drzaiusapelord 3y ago

63 fps on Cyberpunk 2077 which when it came out was "unplayable but on the most powerful PCs" is incredibly impressive without a GPU. This is pretty close to my 2070 GPU does, which cost me $400+ a couple years ago and uses 215W. My CPU also uses 100W, so about 300W compared to 65W for very roughly similar performance (in some games) is still pretty incredible. Now GPUs are almost twice that for that xx70's and xx80's cards. I don't know what market this is aimed at, but this is very impressive for an APU. There's a pretty strong budget PC gamer community that could benefit from this. There are a lot of people who can't afford gaming PCs anymore and this could be a big seller to the budget community. Also at 65TDP power supply and fans and ventilation costs will be low, so they can be sold in cheap and modest cases and ps's. I'm not sure if these chips translate into laptops, but a laptop that games well is always desirable in the gaming market.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
> This is pretty close to my 2070 GPU does Not even remotely close. It's equivalent to an RX570 or 580, which is roughly 1050 territory. Your 2070 is equivalent roughly to a 1080, plus raytracing. > Cyberpunk when it came out [..] unplayable but on the most powerful PCs is incredibly impressive without a GPU. The game has seen numerous patches in the last three years since it was released that have significantly increased its performance.
- snvzz 3y ago
  >It's equivalent to an RX570 or 580 RX 6500, in more recent parlance. I would however wait for third party reviews on these SoCs. They promise performance that's simply unheard of, for an APU. Best to be skeptic than else.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    It's a side effect of the laptop efforts... Getting a price and margin that makes sense. Using the same tech in desktop form makes sense for a lot of people. A $600 or so desktop that can game albeit at lower settings is pretty impressive these days.

madeofpalk 3y ago

I just do regular pc gaming - am I allowed to buy these EXTREME processors?

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einpoklum 3y ago

For an upgrade to a PC which fits, PSU and all, into a tiny case like this one: https://store.nfc-systems.com/products/skyreach-4-tiny https://store.nfc-systems.com/products/skyreach-4-tiny with purely vanilla off-the-shelf parts - I definitely do. I will take these APUs every day of the week and so would millions of people for whom this is the new extreme in their PC system configuration space.

asylteltine 3y ago

Compared to consoles, that is extreme

culopatin 3y ago

If this fits in a mini pc that would be pretty nice. A NUC sized box that plays cyberpunk, not bad

tracker1 3y ago
Pretty close to where a lot of the higher end mini PCs land... It's not a bad thing.
paulmd 3y ago
The minisforums designs (like UM790 Pro etc) are getting increasingly impressive. They have had a bumpy road but they really have finally figured out getting LM to work in a production product. You can't open it but you don't have to - everything that's user-accessible is in a service bay. UM790 Pro is perpetually ~$519-539 or w/e, and they also have a newer version with an oculink in addition to the 2x usb4/thunderbolt ports. [LM: liquid metal, gallium-indium alloy with high conductivity but liquid at room temperature, and conductive, which makes it tedious and exacting to apply etc, but it's the only way to keep pushing thermal density upwards to that degree. PS5 used it as well, and that's part of how they pushed form factor down a ton in a fairly high-TDP product.] Minisforum also had a laptop CPU on a mITX board which frankly is also an underexplored niche, why is that one chinese company (edit: erying) the only ones putting tiger lake onto a socket etc? Atoms etc aren't the only way that low-end market can be tapped, and big chipsets with tons of IO don't make sense on that kind of product anyway. Even the ryzen desktop chips provide a "SOC platform" that can do USB, ethernet, and a few other things iirc - it's used in things like the DeskMini/Deskmeet X300 series, look at the addons they need, it does pull the mobo cost way down. (AMD does not allow X300 to be used in this way, X300 mobos cannot be sold standalone, has to be integrated into a product which is licensed separately, can't lose the bundled sale. Imagine if those firewall appliances etc could run a 5700X3D or 7940HS instead of a 1165G7 or 1125G4 or whatever. that would be awful.) Long-term support is not great (things fall off pretty quickly from what I've heard) and really ideally I'd also like to see them support ECC (7940HS supports it) to open up the homelab market a little more. Because they're doing these really zany powerful things, they crammed a 7940HS into a NUC formfactor and routed it out efficiently into things for people who want to expand, etc. They're cooking, and as the oculink and MCIO and other breakout ecosystems start to mature things are gonna get interesting for the NUC market. And they're already interesting for GENOAD8X-2T and so on too. People are realizing the need for this to be more modular than PCIe edge card/ATX allow in a regular tower form factor. The children yearn for PCIe lanes, they just don't know why or how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu-GKq58Og https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu-GKq58Og https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfArhUdAm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfArhUdAm8 (this can be extended to an interleaved network of 5 nodes, where with only 2 links per node you are tolerant to no more than 1 node failing yet only 2 hops to any other node) https://i.imgur.com/i56PdsC.png https://i.imgur.com/i56PdsC.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08LG64fvqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08LG64fvqI https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-rack-genoad8x-2t-bcm-review-an-uncomfortably-good-motherboard-amd-epyc-broadcom/ https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-rack-genoad8x-2t-bcm-rev...

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