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I think it seems fair. Maybe forums are biased toward the negative, but it seems like the market is tough and it is taking even highly qualified individuals at

I think it seems fair. Maybe forums are biased toward the negative, but it seems like the market is tough and it is taking even highly qualified individuals at least that amount of time to find something new.

cagenut 3y ago
what does 'fair' have to do with anything
- ryangs 3y ago
  Being 'fair' helps company relationships with current and future employees.
  - bruce511 3y ago
    Does it though? In my experience any "credit" for fair behaviour disappears very fast. Employees don't really care about fairness, they care about themselves here and now. Equally businesses see employees as disposable, and work to maximise short term profit, not fairness. There's generally a lack of trust in one, or both sides, and that results in poor behaviour from both sides that spirals. Sure there are great companies to work for, but all their greatness is tossed aside as soon as a better offer comes along. Employees look out for #1. Employers do the same.
    - int_19h 3y ago
      People generally like long-term stability and are willing to trade their loyalty in exchange for that, even to the point of turning down a more lucrative offer. Back when companies appreciated that, you had plenty of people with a stable employment at the same company for literally decades. But then this cycle was broken when employers started to treat their employees as disposable (all while still demanding at least token loyalty!) in pursuit of more profits - and they have succeeded in teaching the employees that any talk of loyalty from a business is virtually guaranteed to be a scam, so why would the latter ever take it seriously? In short, this is not a "both sides" problem.
- scrapcode 3y ago
  One would like to hope that some of these companies act in a manner that when the shoe is on the other foot, and it is an employees market again, that they will be judged by their actions.
spacemadness 3y ago
This forum seems swarming with people with an axe to grind against SV employees of late. As far as I can tell some people think they are well informed on the matter purely from following people on TikTok. Such as the “they only work 6 hours a week” crowd.
- rchaud 3y ago
  Not just that, the comments on these layoff posts seem to put engineering staff on some "un-fireable" pedestal but think of PMs, Sales and Marketing, Admin people as eternally expendable.

cagenut 3y ago

what does 'fair' have to do with anything

ryangs 3y ago
Being 'fair' helps company relationships with current and future employees.
- bruce511 3y ago
  Does it though? In my experience any "credit" for fair behaviour disappears very fast. Employees don't really care about fairness, they care about themselves here and now. Equally businesses see employees as disposable, and work to maximise short term profit, not fairness. There's generally a lack of trust in one, or both sides, and that results in poor behaviour from both sides that spirals. Sure there are great companies to work for, but all their greatness is tossed aside as soon as a better offer comes along. Employees look out for #1. Employers do the same.
  - int_19h 3y ago
    People generally like long-term stability and are willing to trade their loyalty in exchange for that, even to the point of turning down a more lucrative offer. Back when companies appreciated that, you had plenty of people with a stable employment at the same company for literally decades. But then this cycle was broken when employers started to treat their employees as disposable (all while still demanding at least token loyalty!) in pursuit of more profits - and they have succeeded in teaching the employees that any talk of loyalty from a business is virtually guaranteed to be a scam, so why would the latter ever take it seriously? In short, this is not a "both sides" problem.
scrapcode 3y ago
One would like to hope that some of these companies act in a manner that when the shoe is on the other foot, and it is an employees market again, that they will be judged by their actions.

spacemadness 3y ago

This forum seems swarming with people with an axe to grind against SV employees of late. As far as I can tell some people think they are well informed on the matter purely from following people on TikTok. Such as the “they only work 6 hours a week” crowd.

rchaud 3y ago
Not just that, the comments on these layoff posts seem to put engineering staff on some "un-fireable" pedestal but think of PMs, Sales and Marketing, Admin people as eternally expendable.