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Im not disregarding that there are some dubious data uses here in the consumer version of the new outlook client. But I would be careful to not conflate this t
by gavin_gee 3y ago
Im not disregarding that there are some dubious data uses here in the consumer version of the new outlook client.
But I would be careful to not conflate this to all enterprise versions of the outlook client in office 365 paid plans.
Protonmail is using this to drive demand gen for their services. doesn't make them wrong but understand the motivation and how they are pitching the narrative.
- alemanek 3y agoMy paid for version of Outlook on MacOS tried to get me to route all my email, Google workspace, through Microsoft’s servers to “improve my experience”. So, yeah Microsoft is dead to me now. I moved to the Sparkmail (v2) client instead. Proton mail may be trying to capitalize on this newish development but they are also not wrong.
- pfrex 3y agoDon't you need to provide your credentials to sparkmail in order for the app to able to sync across multiple devices? how is that any different from what Outlook tried to make you do?
- alemanek 3y agoEach Sparkmail client connects directly to my Google workspace account and emails are read in app and are not passed through their servers. I authenticate the application with OAuth nothing goes through their backend. Which is also how old outlook works but new outlook wants to man in middle all my email. Edit: https://sparkmailapp.com/help/general/email-storage-and-backups https://sparkmailapp.com/help/general/email-storage-and-back... I don’t use Teams or the Send later feature which does involve their servers.
- TheCleric 3y agoAre you sure this is true? I used Spark a few years back and my work actually froze my account because Spark was accessing it from THEIR server so it showed up for our security team as a leaked password.
- alemanek 3y agoThanks, I will double check. I was basing this off of this doc https://sparkmailapp.com/help/general/email-storage-and-backups https://sparkmailapp.com/help/general/email-storage-and-back... . Also using the older v2 client and not using teams or send later. EDIT: you are correct. Looks like I know what I am doing today. Ugh I just want a local only email client that supports archive/snooze
- pfrex 3y agoI think you're wrong about this. Looking at their privacy policy they clearly state that they store credentials. https://sparkmailapp.com/legal/privacy-app https://sparkmailapp.com/legal/privacy-app Summary of Retention Details: Email address, email content, mail server credentials, APNS device token, appToken assigned by us, device info - During the services provision period services + archive time If you delete Spark Account: 3 months after deletion of your Spark Account.
- alemanek 3y agoI will look into it but from my previous reading it was only storing that for the Teams functionality and if that wasn’t used it wasn’t stored. Thanks though I will double check. If it is storing this I will need to move clients again lol. EDIT: you are correct I misread the privacy policy. Deleting a spark account and moving clients again. I guess it’s back to the standard Apple Mail app for now.
- WirelessGigabit 3y agoOnly if you want Push. Pull / Fetch is initiated from the device. But the Push is initiated from a server. So the server must get a notification of a new email. IMAP-PUSH / Outlook has support for that on a desktop, but not on a mobile device. So if you get push from a 3rd party email, they listen for new emails in your name. Whether via the technologies mentioned above, or some other APIs, it's done on a server, and the server triggers the Push to your phone.