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> Certain legacy providers leverage their on-premises software monopolies to create cloud monopolies, using restrictive licensing practices that lock in custome

> Certain legacy providers leverage their on-premises software monopolies to create cloud monopolies, using restrictive licensing practices that lock in customers and warp competition. I like to see them publicly call out Microsoft and Oracle.

SteveNuts 3y ago
I think the "Legacy" and "licensing" portions are specifically calling out MS and Oracle, but they very sneakily are calling AWS out too on the fact that egress makes it insanely expensive to leave their platform. I've worked at some orgs where to either move their data out of S3 would cost $20k, or to even delete it would cost thousands in API calls.
- zinekeller 3y ago
  You don't need the "I think" for Microsoft: while not mentioned directly, the links on "unfair legacy software" points to Microsoft.
  - pyuser583 3y ago
    Oracle is what popped into my mind.
    - networkchad 3y ago
      [dead]
- dspillett 3y ago
  > but they very sneakily are calling AWS out too That, and any of the smaller “clouds” with egress/delete fees that need to be considered when leaving. Seems massively disingenuous given that until this announcement they also had such fees (“look, those people try rip you just like we were doing until five minutes ago!”) but that is pretty standard for marketing materials. This makes them a better option as the first cloud provider to try, other things being equal, because leaving (back to on-prem or to another provider) is easier. I assume they are trying to remove a little of the huge the distance between them and the two leading players by reducing concerns that might add on-boarding friction.
- solatic 3y ago
  > to even delete it would cost thousands in API calls raises eyebrow It's a well-known trick (proposed by AWS Support as well) to set S3 lifecycle rules to empty buckets with too many objects to cycle through via List calls. Doesn't cost anything.
  - SteveNuts 3y ago
    There's still a cost for transitions even if it's not list calls. That might be cheaper I haven't looked in a while.
    - QuinnyPig 3y ago
      Deletes are free in S3, whether done via API or lifecycle.
blagie 3y ago
I don't. This is very much the pot calling the kettle black. Of the cloud providers, Google has the least pleasant business tactics. I would do business with AWS gladly, with Azure, but never with Google. Google should have made the same announcement without the snarky mean-spirited bitterness.

SteveNuts 3y ago

I think the "Legacy" and "licensing" portions are specifically calling out MS and Oracle, but they very sneakily are calling AWS out too on the fact that egress makes it insanely expensive to leave their platform. I've worked at some orgs where to either move their data out of S3 would cost $20k, or to even delete it would cost thousands in API calls.

zinekeller 3y ago
You don't need the "I think" for Microsoft: while not mentioned directly, the links on "unfair legacy software" points to Microsoft.
- pyuser583 3y ago
  Oracle is what popped into my mind.
  - networkchad 3y ago
    [dead]
dspillett 3y ago
> but they very sneakily are calling AWS out too That, and any of the smaller “clouds” with egress/delete fees that need to be considered when leaving. Seems massively disingenuous given that until this announcement they also had such fees (“look, those people try rip you just like we were doing until five minutes ago!”) but that is pretty standard for marketing materials. This makes them a better option as the first cloud provider to try, other things being equal, because leaving (back to on-prem or to another provider) is easier. I assume they are trying to remove a little of the huge the distance between them and the two leading players by reducing concerns that might add on-boarding friction.
solatic 3y ago
> to even delete it would cost thousands in API calls raises eyebrow It's a well-known trick (proposed by AWS Support as well) to set S3 lifecycle rules to empty buckets with too many objects to cycle through via List calls. Doesn't cost anything.
- SteveNuts 3y ago
  There's still a cost for transitions even if it's not list calls. That might be cheaper I haven't looked in a while.
  - QuinnyPig 3y ago
    Deletes are free in S3, whether done via API or lifecycle.

blagie 3y ago

I don't. This is very much the pot calling the kettle black. Of the cloud providers, Google has the least pleasant business tactics. I would do business with AWS gladly, with Azure, but never with Google. Google should have made the same announcement without the snarky mean-spirited bitterness.