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And network-connected wrenches aren't necessarily internet connected either. Back when I worked on critical infrastructure, we had a lot of networked machines t

And network-connected wrenches aren't necessarily internet connected either. Back when I worked on critical infrastructure, we had a lot of networked machines that we simply air-gapped from the internet. What I linked isn't connected to a network at all, what is your point here? In most cases now, this is a task the technician has to do, regardless of the wrench they are using. Then how would a network connected torque wrench make sure that airplane bolts are tightened better than a digital torque wrench? I think you're losing track of the context of this thread.

kube-system 3y ago
> Then how would a network connected torque wrench make sure that airplane bolts are tightened better than a digital torque wrench? It reduces the potential for human error by automating part of the process and therefore reducing cognitive load and human err. > What I linked isn't connected to a network at all, what is your point here? My point is that you can leverage the advantages of a network connected wrench while also mitigating concerns about internet connectivity by just configuring the network. You don't have to use a tool with fewer features.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  It reduces the potential for human error by automating part of the process and therefore reducing cognitive load and human err. What is it automating that a digital torque wrench doesn't? My point is that you can leverage the advantages of a network connected wrench What are the advantages?
  - kube-system 3y ago
    That Amazon wrench has no control over the consistency of the torque applied by the user. The user can simply just tighten bolts to any value, at any speed, every single time it is used. The automated wrench does all of the work. The user presses the button and it torques exactly the same, to the spec, every time. Manual torque wrenches are easy to misuse. Multiply that by thousands of bolts and you have a decent probability that you have a couple of bolts that were manually tightened a little too far past the beep, or was torqued too fast and beeped before it was properly torqued. Factories do not spend huge sums of money on automated tooling for no reason. Automation in factories decreases human err and increases the quality and speed of output.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      The user presses the button and it torques exactly the same, to the spec, every time. Again, this isn't a network feature. Automation in factories decreases human err and increases the quality and speed of output. Right, this is something that has been done already without networking.
      - kube-system 3y ago
        Networking makes it easier to configure a fleet of devices. I find it strange that anyone would be confused about the benefits of distributing information over a network on this website. If you think these features have no utility, then why are factories buying them?
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        The idea here isn't that there is some benefit in theory, it's that it isn't worth it due to the extra complexity. Maybe you can set new values (although wouldn't that imply that everything before it was wrong and wouldn't people need to check each one to make sure they're right anyway?) but then you end up having people ransomwear your wrenches.
        kube-system 3y ago
        Broadly speaking, it is worth it. Tools that are used in factories look more and more like this all the time, and these modernized factories are producing more product at more consistent levels of quality. Again, the ransomware issue is easily mitigated. Not only can software be fixed, the wrenches can be also kept airgapped. Also it is worth noting that there isn't any ransomware in the wild for these wrenches. This was a research exercise.
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        To be clear, even though the scenario you described doesn't make sense as being any more efficient or accurate, your response is just "broadly speaking, it is worth it" without any actual information.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    The data entry part? One of the most unreliable part of any process? Even assuming that the wrench does the data entry and then needs to be connected to upload it to some link via a connected wire, you are still going to need tons of network related gear. And you won't have direct, live feedback over the process. If the worker needs to manually enter the stats then it's just even worse
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Again, if the networked torque wrench is working on different bolts how would know which bolt is which?
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        I think it's mostly for assembly lines where the same task is repeated. I'd guess you might even have a "process" of a set of bolts to do one after the other in a specific order (which is usually the case for engines for example) but I'm not sure if the connected wrench knows or handles that
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        Right, and if you are on an assembly line, why wouldn't you use a fixed torque?
- userbinator 3y ago
  How exactly does it reduce "the potential for human error" by effectively adding countless other humans responsible for writing the software and maintaining the rest of the infrastructure necessary for it to work? All it's doing is shifting the blame away from the one who should actually be responsible for the work.

kube-system 3y ago

> Then how would a network connected torque wrench make sure that airplane bolts are tightened better than a digital torque wrench? It reduces the potential for human error by automating part of the process and therefore reducing cognitive load and human err. > What I linked isn't connected to a network at all, what is your point here? My point is that you can leverage the advantages of a network connected wrench while also mitigating concerns about internet connectivity by just configuring the network. You don't have to use a tool with fewer features.

CyberDildonics 3y ago
It reduces the potential for human error by automating part of the process and therefore reducing cognitive load and human err. What is it automating that a digital torque wrench doesn't? My point is that you can leverage the advantages of a network connected wrench What are the advantages?
- kube-system 3y ago
  That Amazon wrench has no control over the consistency of the torque applied by the user. The user can simply just tighten bolts to any value, at any speed, every single time it is used. The automated wrench does all of the work. The user presses the button and it torques exactly the same, to the spec, every time. Manual torque wrenches are easy to misuse. Multiply that by thousands of bolts and you have a decent probability that you have a couple of bolts that were manually tightened a little too far past the beep, or was torqued too fast and beeped before it was properly torqued. Factories do not spend huge sums of money on automated tooling for no reason. Automation in factories decreases human err and increases the quality and speed of output.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    The user presses the button and it torques exactly the same, to the spec, every time. Again, this isn't a network feature. Automation in factories decreases human err and increases the quality and speed of output. Right, this is something that has been done already without networking.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      Networking makes it easier to configure a fleet of devices. I find it strange that anyone would be confused about the benefits of distributing information over a network on this website. If you think these features have no utility, then why are factories buying them?
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        The idea here isn't that there is some benefit in theory, it's that it isn't worth it due to the extra complexity. Maybe you can set new values (although wouldn't that imply that everything before it was wrong and wouldn't people need to check each one to make sure they're right anyway?) but then you end up having people ransomwear your wrenches.
        kube-system 3y ago
        Broadly speaking, it is worth it. Tools that are used in factories look more and more like this all the time, and these modernized factories are producing more product at more consistent levels of quality. Again, the ransomware issue is easily mitigated. Not only can software be fixed, the wrenches can be also kept airgapped. Also it is worth noting that there isn't any ransomware in the wild for these wrenches. This was a research exercise.
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        To be clear, even though the scenario you described doesn't make sense as being any more efficient or accurate, your response is just "broadly speaking, it is worth it" without any actual information.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  The data entry part? One of the most unreliable part of any process? Even assuming that the wrench does the data entry and then needs to be connected to upload it to some link via a connected wire, you are still going to need tons of network related gear. And you won't have direct, live feedback over the process. If the worker needs to manually enter the stats then it's just even worse
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    Again, if the networked torque wrench is working on different bolts how would know which bolt is which?
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      I think it's mostly for assembly lines where the same task is repeated. I'd guess you might even have a "process" of a set of bolts to do one after the other in a specific order (which is usually the case for engines for example) but I'm not sure if the connected wrench knows or handles that
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        Right, and if you are on an assembly line, why wouldn't you use a fixed torque?
userbinator 3y ago
How exactly does it reduce "the potential for human error" by effectively adding countless other humans responsible for writing the software and maintaining the rest of the infrastructure necessary for it to work? All it's doing is shifting the blame away from the one who should actually be responsible for the work.