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The cool part about Proton is they bundle a lot of their services. You aren't just paying for email—you're paying for VPN, encrypted cloud storage and more.
by moose44 3y ago
The cool part about Proton is they bundle a lot of their services. You aren't just paying for email—you're paying for VPN, encrypted cloud storage and more.
- tiahura 3y agoWhy is it cool to pay for stuff you may not use?
- moose44 3y agoYou're missing the point, however, I'll entertain it. Most services just offer a paid email. Proton offers all of its services for an extremely low monthly price. Not to mention their security protocols are among the best. Everyone uses email. Most use a VPN (everyone should) and almost everyone utilizes some form of cloud storage. I started off purchasing to use their VPN and now actively use all 3.
- computer7050 3y agoWhy should everyone use a VPN?
- c0pium 3y agoIt’s their emotional support software.
- tmikaeld 3y agoWhy should everyone use a VPN? It’s a false sense of security and a waste of resources. The ones making the money are datacenters and middle-men.
- moose44 3y agoUsing the internet in general is a false sense of security. If you want total security crush all of your technology and go live in the woods. The point of cyber security tools like VPNs is to limit tracking, data sharing and reduce the potential for malicious actions to be taken against you. You can't honestly say not using a VPN is better than using one. What's the alternative? Unencrypted web traffic? Your ISP harvesting your web data and selling it? Exposure on public networks?
- tmikaeld 3y ago> Unencrypted web traffic? I don't know if you're aware, but basically all sites on the internet use something called SSL these days. However, SSL is useless if you use a VPN that also provide DNS servers (which most do) - because the provider could listen in on all of your traffic by hijacking the handshake, DNS and traffic to and from any target server - making it much easier to create a user profile, because you're authenticated to the VPN. Also, third party cookies are blocked in the mainline browsers by default, making VPNs even more useless. Most if not all of the ISPs also use dynamic IPs, making it unlikely to be cross-site-tracked based on IP sources.
- moose44 3y agoWhat does that have to do with your ISP having access to this information and selling it? In addition to using public networks? Additionally, 3rd party cookies may be blocked but cross-site are not.
- tmikaeld 3y agoYou realize 3rd party cookies and cross-site cookies are the same thing?
- syntheticcorp 3y agoControl over a clients DNS doesn’t let the VPN provider view the contents of TLS encrypted traffic. However they can view unencrypted data from connections like SNI headers, DNS queries etc.
- tmikaeld 3y agoThe point here is that if you use someone else’s dns, they can redirect any domain to their server and sign the cert too since they also control the traffic.
- syntheticcorp 3y ago
- bastard_op 3y agoIt's like Apple offering a default "privacy vpn", and lately now google too, it's really just a way for them to slurp your data as well what you're visiting, dns resolving, basically everything you do over the network. Even worse is apple enables it by default for all their devices, so all day long firewall logs for customers fill with "proxy avoidance" drops for apple proxy service as that's what a firewall should do in a corporate environment, treating this as data exfiltration. What does Apple really do with that information? I at least know what Google or Microsoft is doing, by example of this article. I just laugh as Apple users misplace their trust and think they're somehow secure for it buying an iphone, at least Microsoft users know the insecure mess they're stuck with.
- sosborn 3y agohttps://support.apple.com/en-us/102602#:~:text=iCloud%20Private%20Relay%20is%20designed,two%20separate%2C%20secure%20internet%20relays https://support.apple.com/en-us/102602#:~:text=iCloud%20Priv....
- c0pium 3y agoLots of people have this strong psychological need to feel like they’re Doing Something™. VPNs sell them that peace of mind.
- sbuk 3y ago> Not to mention their security protocols are among the best. What does this even mean?
- ASalazarMX 3y agoYou mean the VPN? Because we all use cloud storage these days.
- xn7 3y agoThey also have offers where you only pay for email || vpn || cloud-storage. Their payment structure is somewhat confusing, but very flexible.