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I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can

by j0hnyl 3y ago

I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can last a long time. LLMs are massive productivity boosters.

asylteltine 3y ago
It’s only a boost to honest people. Meanwhile grifters and lazies will be able to take advantage. This is why we can’t have nice things. It will lead to things like reduction in remote offerings like remote schooling or work
bluefirebrand 3y ago
Do you remember when email first came around and it was a useful tool for connecting with people across the world, like friends and family? Does anyone still use email for that? We all still HAVE email addresses, but the vast majority of our communication has moved elsewhere. Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. The same thing happened with the telephone. It's not just text messaging that killed phone calls, it's also the explosion of scam callers. People don't trust incoming phone calls anymore. I see AI being used this way online already, turning everything into untrustworthy slop. Productivity boosters can be used to make things worse far more easily and quickly than they can be used to make things better. And there will always be scumbags out there who are willing and eager to take advantage of the new power to pull everyone into the mud with the.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > Does anyone still use email for that? Sure. Same as in the olden days. Txt for short form, email for long form. Email for the infrequently contacted. Even back when I used SM, I never comm'd with IRL people on SM. SM was 100% internet people.
- monkeynotes 3y ago
  > Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. No it isn't, unless you are 12 maybe.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    That's not a response to GPs thesis, just an irrelevant nitpick.
- tavavex 3y ago
  This isn't really an accurate comparison. Email and text messaging are, well, messaging platforms - they're used for direct communication and crucially, anyone can come knocking on your door. After a certain threshold of spammers begin taking over inboxes, people move onto something else. The internet as a whole isn't that. By and large, you can curate your experience and visit only the places you want to visit. So why exactly would the mere existence of generative AI make an average high-quality website suddenly do a 180 and destroy itself? I won't debate that garbage data will probably be easier to generate and there will be more of it, but the argument feels one-sided. People are talking like the only genuine use of generative AI is generating bad data and helping scammers, despite it opening a lot of other possibilities. It's completely unbalanced.
mvdtnz 3y ago
> LLMs are massive productivity boosters. Only if your product is bullshit.
- monkeynotes 3y ago
  What's new about that? Any bullshit product is bullshit.
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  Only if you don't proofread or do a cleanup pass is it dogshit.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  Ah, Hacker News Never change

by j0hnyl 3y ago

asylteltine 3y ago

It’s only a boost to honest people. Meanwhile grifters and lazies will be able to take advantage. This is why we can’t have nice things. It will lead to things like reduction in remote offerings like remote schooling or work

bluefirebrand 3y ago

Do you remember when email first came around and it was a useful tool for connecting with people across the world, like friends and family? Does anyone still use email for that? We all still HAVE email addresses, but the vast majority of our communication has moved elsewhere. Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. The same thing happened with the telephone. It's not just text messaging that killed phone calls, it's also the explosion of scam callers. People don't trust incoming phone calls anymore. I see AI being used this way online already, turning everything into untrustworthy slop. Productivity boosters can be used to make things worse far more easily and quickly than they can be used to make things better. And there will always be scumbags out there who are willing and eager to take advantage of the new power to pull everyone into the mud with the.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> Does anyone still use email for that? Sure. Same as in the olden days. Txt for short form, email for long form. Email for the infrequently contacted. Even back when I used SM, I never comm'd with IRL people on SM. SM was 100% internet people.
monkeynotes 3y ago
> Now all email is used for is receiving spam from companies and con artists. No it isn't, unless you are 12 maybe.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  That's not a response to GPs thesis, just an irrelevant nitpick.
tavavex 3y ago
This isn't really an accurate comparison. Email and text messaging are, well, messaging platforms - they're used for direct communication and crucially, anyone can come knocking on your door. After a certain threshold of spammers begin taking over inboxes, people move onto something else. The internet as a whole isn't that. By and large, you can curate your experience and visit only the places you want to visit. So why exactly would the mere existence of generative AI make an average high-quality website suddenly do a 180 and destroy itself? I won't debate that garbage data will probably be easier to generate and there will be more of it, but the argument feels one-sided. People are talking like the only genuine use of generative AI is generating bad data and helping scammers, despite it opening a lot of other possibilities. It's completely unbalanced.

mvdtnz 3y ago

> LLMs are massive productivity boosters. Only if your product is bullshit.

monkeynotes 3y ago
What's new about that? Any bullshit product is bullshit.
BeFlatXIII 3y ago
Only if you don't proofread or do a cleanup pass is it dogshit.
spaceman_2020 3y ago
Ah, Hacker News Never change